smallbird on Oct 24, 2009 12:50 am

The personnel at the sites Mr. Williams is talking about are long gone. He has his reasons for holding a grudge, I guess, but I think it's all water under the bridge and now we all need to band together against all the other crazy things that are happening in our country.

Jim on Jul 02, 2009 9:42 am

I've seen it with smokers and I've seen it in other industries as well. If you don't pull together, you will be trampled. You don't need to pay a union, you just need to use your voice.

But, there is only one cure: 3 major tobacco companies put out on the wire it plans on closing in September. Lay off 50% of your employees worldwide, stop production, empty the warehouses - tell the press it is because you can't afford it- who won't believe that in these times. The politicians won't take over the companies they publicly claim they want to close. It would be the end of their political careers if they did.

What will happen: international cries from scared employees, unemployment rate almost doubles over night, they actually skyrocket. Smokers also have a fit and finally realize if they don't pull together, their rights will be stripped from them forever. The government turns toward the soda companies to make up lost financial projections. Soda companies lobbyists are too strong and put up a fight that will take way too much time for government to benefit on their schedule. The general public finally begins to think about what the politicians are doing. There will be such panic on the governments part it will have no choice but to back off. The tobacco companies release a press statement that their bookkeepers made a small error, back in business.

Strange thing is - I think this whole hate smokers campaign is nothing but a smoke screen for oil companies and other corporations and their billions of byproducts killing the environments we live in. All you have to do is look at who is backing anti smoking campaigns. It is a whose who of the oil, political and financial sectors. Of course, as we all know, it has become the avenue for revenue generation to replenish wasteful spending on part of the government.

squirrelie on May 09, 2009 11:08 am

I think all of these sites are just a bunch of blah, blah, blah.... Everybody bitches and no one goes to the source of the problem. ...Our lovely law makers. What about the constitutionality of all this crap? Taxes (without representation) levied on a legal substance...then subsequent criminality treatment of those who are users. Excuse me. If I'm going to be penalized for the use of a legal substance, and then be bannished for its use, I believe I have a real problem here. Quit crying about it and challenge the enforcement of laws that step on your rights.

Lionel Richard Brown on Apr 11, 2009 6:13 pm

... Pro Smoking; Who doubled the prices of tobaco in New York, 04-11-2009? This I found today after buying my last can two weeks ago. At 16 dollars and some change to 31 dollars and some change.

... They just surpassed what I can afford to pay. This where I was at rolling my own since the price went to a $1.25 a pack. Yea quite a long time. Eitherway of it, I never joined any of the other forums you speak of. But I am a New York State Certified IT of 30 years. Well, since 1986 anyways.

... It's never too late. I can assist. I see one comment here about growing your own. Which I have never been able to find enough info on. Which is one alternative. Another this brings to mind, what of the idividual farmers who have been growing these tobacco crops. I see what I have been calling my tobacco, Bugler get lost between RJ Reynolds and the UK. This which my previous snail mail letters to Tucker, Georgia were never replied to in buying larger quanities. But in any search I had embarked on never brought any results of who the actual farmers were in North Carolina.

... Lastly about the dirty little secrets. My first computer and network forensics admisable to a court of law. Was used in a Family Court here in Northern New York in 1992. This showing a would be psychologist (no such degree) to be devulging client/patient documents. Apparently for profit and gain, and to the direct contradiction of his patients mental health. Yet like I before stated we found out he was never a Psychologist to began with, Could be comsodered a Layman only. ... Between 2001 and 2003 my forensics was used by FedCirc to put 15 individuals in federal prison on hacking and mailcious coding charges. I currently have another case opened as of July 2007, stated formerily May 2008 with the FBI. This after 6 more hacker, malicious code types, this that branch out into 28 more for a total of 32 individuals.

... In as far as an open forum, where no one knows exactly who the other peole are? You will get that type thing of exploit. I am reopening a Blog and forum called the Cyber Crime Blog. There it will mot be of anonimous use. If you want security and trust, it has to truly be with those parameters. You must know your people and they must know you. If you leave logins to a point of creation in automation, you will be exploited. This why I will be setting up my accesses manually for individuals wishing to have access. This which includes identification verification. This can be exploited too, but in the chance that it does, the truth does not remain to darkness. It always will find the light of days. When that occures, pass go, no collecting 200 dollars and straight to jail!

... Myself, I do not gamble, I won't with where I spend my time and efforts, or where my friendships and associates exist.


... But about smoking, I have no reason to quit. Not even medical reason, in as far as what the hubbub of it effecting my health? Tell it to the doctors I leave scratching their heads. When given a chest xray. They send me back with the nurse two or three times stating to the nurse that it can not be this man's xray. He states he has smoked 39 years. This is an xray of someone who has clear lungs. usually by the second or third time the doctor watches the xray taking place.. There in where their scratching of their head starts. My grandfather was a smoker and so was my great grandfather. I met my great grand father. He cross over when I was 8 years old. my grandfather died of old age also. But I do talk about Great Grampa Chauddy more, as he lived to be 104.

... I think it is pass due time to see the crminals are going to jail, instead of the money I pay a farmer to grow me tobacco to be taxed to the point where I can no longer afford it. This to pay off the likes of the criminal thats been stealing from all of us all along (AIG bonuses).

... I smell Tyranny, I propose a little tea party, Boston style that is! I have talked till I was blue in the face about we can work within the government to resolve these issues. Recent occurrance show it has been just another shine on. A shine on that has gotten to the point of acknowledgment and in your and my face. I am truly standing on that line. As I see all around my life from one situation to the next, these instances all showing the same. Can you quit this, there in quit on yourself? Do you see the truth, where there is literally no representation? Where is that line drawn for you, or you, or you? Is it not time to seperate the wheat from the chaf?

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Azrael on Apr 01, 2009 12:58 am

I, too happened across this page by chance, and was immediately impressed by it. I have not been to the other forums, nor do i feel a need to, after visiting this site. I cannot vouch for anyone but myself, and I can positively say that this site WILL make some non-smokers change their views on smoking. Smoking is not just a "habit"; it's a way of life. Those of us who have made the decision to smoke know this fact. I believe that my voice as a smoker can finally be heard. Thank you for everything you have done with this site. It is truly a godsend.

Bill Williams on Mar 11, 2009 2:08 am

Twillercat, thanks for the supportive words. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone knows about the dirty secrets that Forces, Speakeasy and Smokers Club have been keeping for years - the petty backstabbing, vindictive stealing and just downright disgusting moneygrubbing they have been doing. They are a disgusting group of malcontents, and it sickens me to see them as part of the Smoker's Rights Movement.

But when the very members of Smokinglobby, the people I have been trying to help and support for 10 years, turned their back on decency and Smoker's Rights, then I decided it is time to throw in the towel. Why should I help and fight for these people who are just screwing me over?

I am disgusted most by the forum members who actually came to this site to ask people to give money to my direct competition, Speakeasy. That's like Ford employees taking a collection to help out GM when they are going bankrupt.

Smokinglobby will be closing soon, I'll either sell it or open a new site with a different purpose, I haven't decided yet. But these people no longer deserve any support - let them deal with smoking bans and the systematic destruction of all smoker's rights on their own.