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Roll Your Own :: RE: They're on to the "pipe" tobacco

Our smoke shop has been getting in 4 Aces pipe tobacco. It's just Gambler cigarette tobacco that's been repackaged. At $6.19 for six ounces you can't pass it up. I've got several pounds now and will continue to stockpile as much as I can before it's gone forever. I hope to have fifty pounds before that happens.

Roll Your Own :: RE: They're on to the "pipe" tobacco

Zander wrote:

Yea, I know, there are so many of them I don't know which to buy? That is why I was asking someone for a link...

Can you direct me to one that is about the same as Marlboro Reds?

Thanks all!

You are really going to have to experiment on your own for what you will like - tubes make a difference too - experimentation with different tubes is a must.

There's some guidance on what brands most people like here:
http://forum.ryorevolution.com/viewforum.php?f=16&sid=c169d99a71c740b3d68659b037e62735

Most people who start try to mimic their current pre-made brand but RYO goes much further in the tastes of the tobacco....plus, you'll never get one exactly unless you start adding flavors, chemicals and additives like the Big tobacco guys do - oh, and it will be difficult to find FSC tubes so they go out all the time like Marlboro Reds

Roll Your Own :: RE: They're on to the "pipe" tobacco

JohnC wrote:

Run a search --------- there's a ton of them

http://www.google.com/search?q=pipe+tobacco&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7

914,000

Yea, I know, there are so many of them I don't know which too buy? That is why I was asking someone for a link...

Can you direct me to one that is about the same as Marlboro Reds?

Thanks all!

Smokers Rights :: RE: SMOKELSS CIGARETTES, EVERYONE NEEDS ONE

b8edbreth wrote:

To answer whether or not it feels like smoking... not really but a little bit.

The way I understand it as far as e-smoking, is the nic is absorbed via the mouth, instead of via the lungs as with traditional cigs.

b8edbreth wrote:

The main thing is that you are addicted to a number of substances in tobacco smoke not just nicotine. The ecig only provides nicotine thus you will not feel satisfied by the $80+ device until you are weened off the other stuff. That of course assumes you don't just want to use the esmoke as a supplement.

You would be amazed at how good of a replacement it is though, provided you get the correct amount of nic via the e-liquid according to your personal level of addiction.

b8edbreth wrote:

Just because I CHOOSE to smoke an ecig does not mean that my feverish support of smoker's rights has diminished in even the slightest way.

Same here. I support everyone's RIGHTS to enjoy either of tobacco or nicotine in whatever forms they might prefer. My personal choice to go with Swedish snus is for two reasons:

1. Tax protest. I will no longer pay ANY tobacco or nicotine taxes to either of the US federal or state governments.

2. In transitioning (quite successfully) to loose snus, I am prepping to eventually supply my own tobacco needs on an annual basis via growing my own, such that whatever nonsense the government next concocts will have no bearing whatsoever in my life or my use of either of tobacco or nicotine.

Smokers Rights :: RE: SMOKELSS CIGARETTES, EVERYONE NEEDS ONE

gilster wrote:

was thinking about dabbling in the VG {vegetable glycol} too

It's VERY easy to do this. You can purchase USP VG at Walmart. Look for the Humco Brand. I was blending mine down to a 4 mg solution from a 24mg tasteless nic solution out of China. Using the Fairie's Finest Creme De Cafe food extract, which is actually a kahlua flavor, made a quite tasty e-liquid indeed. I still have a working set of e-cigs and an additional e-cig set with a dead battery. Even though I originally quit smoking with e-cigs, I use Swedish snus these days to get my fix. E-cigs are too high maintenance and just too much shit to have to carry around on a daily basis, whereas Swedish snus, whether portion or loose (mmmm!) is pretty much maintenance-free.

Roll Your Own :: RE: Grow Your Own Tobacco At Home

Hi --

I actually don't use Miracle Grow (tm), but mostly buy the generic kinds available at Wal Mart et al because they are just as good. In the field, I use fertilizer I get at th local feed store with residual nitrogen release.

Bob

Roll Your Own :: RE: Grow Your Own Tobacco At Home

Excellent info post, I'm going to plant again next year and get them out, this year was a terrible dry-run for me - but I'm learning - thanks to you and other sites!

Is there an alternative to Scott's Miracle Grow that you would recommend?
Miracle Grow fires employees who smoke - remember the Scott Rodriguez case in the Boston area in @ 2007?

I'm boycotting them and any generic fertilizers that I suspect are made by them.

Roll Your Own :: RE: Grow Your Own Tobacco At Home

Hi --

I've been neglecting this thread because my seed and decorative whole tobacco leaf sales are taking lots of my time. I'm going to try to continue it now.

I will talk about how to start the seeds for a bit. None of this is set in concrete, but this method works for me. If I forgot anything major or minor, let me know.

Tobacco seeds are very tiny. Actually smaller than a mustard seed. As such, they need a little tender loving care to start. Typically, the seed is started 6-7 weeks before your last average frost and grown to transplanting size much like tomatoes. I use 72-cell plug trays to start my seeds but many people use 6 inch pots and separate the transplants when they are larger. If the trays have been used before, I dip them in a 5% chlorox solution and let them dry.

I use a sterilized, commercial peat-based potting mix to start my seeds. I screen the mix through a 1/4 inch hardware cloth to make sure it's very light. Then, bottom water the tray to moisten it. You will not be watering these seedlings from the top. I fold a white piece of paper in half an put a quantity of seed at one end and tap it until as close to one seed falls in each cell on top of the media as possible. Do not cover them with potting mix. Don't worry about putting 2-3 seeds in there as you can either tease them out of the cell plug later with a toothpick and replant (handling only by the leaf) or simply clip off extras with a pair of scissors.

Cover with a clear plastic sheet and either put somewhere where the temperature stays a steady 72-78F or put a heating pad under them on low. Do not put them in the sun as they will cook. After they germinate in 7-10 days (I use a magnifying glass to see them), remove the plastic.

You will want to put them in about 75% shade (or 25% light) for 12-15 hours a day. You will then mist the seeds twice a day or more. Keep them very moist and humid. If your air is very dry, you may want to put them in a tent with ventilation to maintain humidity levels. This is when using a sterilized commercial potting mix and clean trays pays off as in this humidity and temp, molds and algaes will want to form. If you see a white fuzzy mold, allow them to dry out until it dies. If you fertilize them after they reach dime size leaves, only use 1/5th strength Miracle Grow or equivalent generic type at most. Remember, you are watering and fertilizing them from the bottom (float on water until it soaks up)

As the seedlings get bigger, give them a little more light until you have reached about 50-75% full light and the leaves are about the size of a quarter. Then you transplant to 4" pots and move them gradually into full light. Around this time you can start giving them 1/2 strength fertilizer as needed.

Ask me any questions and I'll try to answer them. Next I'll talk about how to prepare the field for the transplants.

Bob Kemp
GYOtobacco@yahoo.com

Roll Your Own :: RE: They're on to the "pipe" tobacco

gilster wrote:

Generally speaking tobacco is tobacco - different plants will have different characteristics that the segments of tobacco enjoyment favor historically - Cigar-Pipe-Cigarette--Chew-Snus-Snuff.

It's the processing that apparently really makes the difference.

At this point, tobacco is tobacco. But how is the tobacco plant defined legally? There has to be a legal definition of tobacco somewhere.

I don't know anything about botany or how plants are classified, but I would think with all the genetic engineering that's being done nowadays, it wouldn't be that hard to alter a non-crucial characteristic of the plant to create something that would no longer fit the legal definition of tobacco, but which could still be smoked the same as tobacco.

For example, if you could alter one or more genes of the tobacco plant and make it a creeping vine, would it still legally count as tobacco? I would think that nicotine could be altered slightly without changing the pharmacological effect, if that's the crucial element.

You can't levy tobacco taxes on something that isn't quite tobacco.

I have a pretty wild imagination, but the possibilities are intriguing.

I hope you are listening, evil tobacco company trolls! You are welcome to cart off my idea, if it will help keep tyranny at bay.

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Roll Your Own :: RE: They're on to the "pipe" tobacco

Run a search --------- there's a ton of them

http://www.google.com/search?q=pipe+tobacco&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7

914,000

Roll Your Own :: RE: They're on to the "pipe" tobacco

Can anyone give me a link to buy some of the PIPE TOBACCO that I can smoke?

Thanks All!

Roll Your Own :: RE: They're on to the "pipe" tobacco

What I understand is pipe tobacco is processed differently and most have toppings and additives that add flavor and moisture. Something you don't want to take directly into the lungs. I read somewhere about 'English pipe tobacco' that doesn't use a lot of toppings or flavors.(Which may be what the 'pipe cut' is mimicking)

Generally speaking tobacco is tobacco - different plants will have different characteristics that the segments of tobacco enjoyment favor historically - Cigar-Pipe-Cigarette--Chew-Snus-Snuff.

It's the processing that apparently really makes the difference.

Hell, it could become very expensive to start smoking Corn Silk in the future.....
If someone would create a cross-species of Corn/Tobacco - can't you just see the regulations popping up all over the place?

THEY want 'THEIR' money!

Roll Your Own :: RE: They're on to the "pipe" tobacco

runamok wrote:

Another thought:

What's to keep the pipe and tobacco companies from colluding on a pipe and 'pipe-cut' tobacco combination that exactly (or very closely) mimics the cigarette smoking experience? I'm quite certain it wouldn't require some huge leap in technology to achieve.

Just a stray thought.

What we really need is a genetic engineer who can tinker with the genes of the tobacco plant to produce something just different enough to not legally be classified as tobacco. It'll be just like the Olympics, where clandestine labs stay one step ahead of the IOC by tinkering with steroid molecules to create new steroids that aren't on the list of banned substances.

It's a little bit harder to do that with a plant, but I'm sure people can find a way when there are millions of dollars involved.

Roll Your Own :: RE: They're on to the "pipe" tobacco