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Online Tobacco Sales :: RE: Dewey Ave Smoke Shop?

Glad youre satisfied with their service, as I was. The other day I recieved a package from them containing a free sample of their 'All Natural' blend (which is quite good). Thats the type of service that ll keep me coming back, I didnt even request it! And at those prices its hard to find good tasting 100% real tobaccos, especially all naturals.

Smoking Bans :: RE: One step closer to nationwide ban-Michigan falls

The REALLY sad thing is (at least the one that saddens me the most) is the fact that statewide bans have more than quadrupled since 9/11. I remember when that happened-the rabid smoker-haters/heart ass./lung ass/cancer soc./et al were quiet for about a mere 24 hours-then it was back to business as usual. I recall they were trying to get the new york newspapers to airbrush out the cigarettes shown in pictures of cops and firemen and other rescue workers-one major nazi in NY said'smokers can't be shown as heroes'. Since then we've given rights away at an ever-increasing rate. I'm swiftly getting to the point where I no longer care if the country falls.

Smoking Bans :: RE: YeeHaw! Even in Amarillo

All I know is early voting turnout was much lower than when we did this three years ago.

This will be close either way.

I will post the results once I know.

Thanks for the interest and keep fighting to keep nosey, do-gooders in their Vegan restuarants and tea clubs.

Smoking Bans :: RE: YeeHaw! Even in Amarillo

Have you heard any hints at how the early voting has went on this smoking ban proposal in Amarillo? I remember googling about the Amarillo smoking ban proposal, and reading in one article that not many people at all had voted on this referendum. Of course, I'm not sure if that's good or bad for our libertarian-minded side, but I'd like to think it'd mean the former(good)...

Smoking Bans :: RE: Hawaii bans smoking outside

Darkseid wrote:

A continent and half an ocean away from the lights of Atlantic City, a Hawaii county banned smoking at beach parks and other outdoor recreational areas.

The council of Hawaii County — which covers the Big Island — voted 7-2 late Tuesday to override Mayor Harry Kim's veto of the ban, despite last-minute pleas from tourism leaders.

Backers were inspired by students who collected more than 2,000 cigarette butts from a beach as a science project and raised concerns about the litter's effects on marine life.

The regulation went into effect immediately. Violators may be issued a $100 citation.

Kim had called an outright ban impractical and unfair and urged the council to consider designating outdoor areas where smoking is allowed.

Hilo Councilman J Yoshimoto, who introduced the bill, said he was disappointed by Kim's veto.

"I cannot relate to this addiction or so-called addiction. This bill helps everyone. Smokers will smoke less and we're setting an example for the kids," Yoshimoto said. "This is looking out for the greater good."

It's creepy how many municipalities, towns, cities, counties, etc. continue to pass park and beach smoking bans, all for the BS 'greater good of people'. How many outdoor bans will it take, before these stupid idiots realize it doesn't do crap to reduce smoking rates? (and if anything, it might cause the opposite effect, and encourage certain youngsters that like to do rebellious activities into starting smoking) Not to mention of course, the only reason antis campaign for bans like this so hard(regardless of their guise for 'litter' being the reason why), is that it furthers their attempts to 'de-normalize' smoking.

I just fregging hope that in Hawaii County, that this outdoor ban is heavily ignored, and that people continue to smoke on beaches and parks there. I know I continue to practice civil disobedience against the Chicago Park District beach smoking ban since it passed last October, and still to this day see many other Chicago smokers continue to practice civil disobedience, when it comes to the beach ban.

Smoking Bans :: RE: Opponents of Ohio Ban Weigh In

gilster wrote:

-- In 2006, Ohio Department of Job and Family Services projected a 10,000 job gain for the hospitality and leisure industry for 2007. The first 12 months of the smoking ban saw 5,400 lost jobs for that industry.

-- Data obtained from Ohio Division of Liquor Control: both wholesale and retail (home consumption) sales from 2003 - 2006 had a steady growth in number of bottles sold. However 2007 presented a different picture, wholesale sales declined sharply. Factoring in the growth the industry had been experiencing, permit holders lost a potential of $67,441,632 in sales in 2007. Before these numbers are blamed on a bad economy, consider that retail had a whopping increase of 1,384,148 bottles sold from 2006-2007. People who smoke resent businesses that do not allow smoking and many stay at home.

-- The above losses imply that there has been a $4,264,446 decline in sales and use tax from bars and restaurants.

-- One large beer distributor reports a 5% loss in sales.

-- The coin machine industry, including juke boxes and pool tables, is down 20 to 30 percent in liquor pouring establishments.

-- The trickle down effect includes the loss of income to musicians, karaoke vendors, snack vendors, and costs to the State of Ohio for enforcement of the ban.

"Ohio is not unique. Bar owners and clubs across the U.S. are crying foul. Pubs in Germany, Ireland, the UK are closing. Hospitality business owners in Germany are angry because they were told their pubs had nothing to fear from the smoking ban and how commercially successful bans have been in Ireland, the UK and the USA, where bars were allegedly teeming with 'new' customers," said Debi Kistner, Opponents of Ohio Bans.

"If hundreds and hundreds of studies show there's no harm to businesses, why would business owners complain? Why would they fight the smoking ban? Why would they want smoking if their businesses were doing so well without smoking?" Kistner asked.

"Voters were misled when they voted for Issue 5. They voted for a ban they were told would not harm businesses. Therefore, Issue 5 should be declared invalid and overturned. Put up a sign warning of the presence of tobacco smoke, and allow businesses to reap the benefits of a true economic stimulus package," said Pam Parker, Opponents of Ohio Bans.

Related Web site: www.opponentsofohiobans.com

SOURCE Opponents of Ohio Bans
Pam Parker, +1-614-565-6560, Debi Kistner, +1-614-668-8485, both of Opponents of Ohio Bans, truth@opponentsofohiobans.com,

http://www.sunherald.com/447/story/543578.html

Well yeah, of course effects like this always occur when local and/or state governments impose smoking bans against the will of smoking patrons, libertarian-minded non-smokers, and business owners. I totally agree with this group that businesses should be allowed to permit smoking, if they post exterior signage stating their smoking policy. Such policies have already been successful in New Haven, Indiana(near Fort Wayne), Lake St. Louis(suburb of St. Louis), and suburban St. Louis County.

Thanks for posting this info btw, gilster. I greatly appreciated seeing this data on how much Ohio's ban has hurt business owners in that state.

Smoking Bans :: RE: One step closer to nationwide ban-Michigan falls

This is really sad news, especially since this change-of-heart(of Sen. Bishop previously not bringing the bill up for a vote, and now doing so) came outta nowhere. At the rate smoking bans continue to pass(and especially due to how the Iowa smoking ban passed this year outta nowhere, along with the ban that probably now will pass in Michigan), I'm honestly not sure if there will be any states still left without some form of a smoking ban(even if some do exempt bars, casinos, private clubs, and just maybe a few other types of various workplace/restaurant exemptions) in 3-4 years, tops.

I'm just still pretty annoyed though, that Bishop chose to break his word with the Michigan Restaurant Association, and let a bill like this come up for a vote.

Online Tobacco Sales :: RE: Dewey Ave Smoke Shop?

Hey thanks for the feedback. I tried them out and they were great! My order was a kinda complicated, but they were really friendly and helpful. I was really impressed with their prices, service, and super fast shipping! I'd definitely do business with them again too. Thanks again for the response, it's good to know that a business is legit and reliable before placing an order.

News :: RE: I am about to make your day

I'm still waiting to see a list of names and places for the 400,000 deaths per year!

Smoking Bans :: One step closer to nationwide ban-Michigan falls

Well, there goes my escape route. I'd been eating in Michigan for the last year.

Canadian communist governor Jennifer Grandhole has been slobbering at the bit for this since OheilO got theirs. Polls in Michigan showed the public wouldn't vote for it, so it had to be done by the government. Once democrats took over the house in 06, they went to work on it.

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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/470850/michiga...ses_smoking_ban.html

http://blog.mlive.com/annarbornews/2008/05/michigan_senate_oks_ban_on_smo.html

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I used to have compassion, but they legislated it and taxed it out of existence.

News :: RE: I am about to make your day

slowly, surely, and one by one

http://www.house.gov/list/press/ny13_fossella/080410_AntiSmokingBill.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24522883/?GT1=43001

Smokers Rights :: RE: Think I got it now.

Hi Torque, Where ya been?

Been to any "Theater Night" bars yet?

Smokers Rights :: RE: Think I got it now.

Dude this forum is one of the places where I go to let some steam off, though I've been absent of late. I's do's suspect you might be a troll. Hey, knock yourself out.

News :: RE: I am about to make your day

Who do we put heat on to bust the ones here?

Smoking Bans :: RE: Hawaii bans smoking outside

Darkseid wrote:

"I cannot relate to this addiction or so-called addiction. This bill helps everyone. Smokers will smoke less and we're setting an example for the kids," Yoshimoto said. "This is looking out for the greater good."

Famous last words there, "the greater good." Does idiot know no one will smoke less? So now laws are being passed to "set a good example?"