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by Zippy
on Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:11 pm |
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linkup wrote: You all can trust whomever you like. By the way,if the Feds are watching this website they already know of BlackHawk.I will never order from them based on your prior posts.Good Bye!!
Let me get this straight.
You will not by from a Company that I am not associated with because you don't like my attitude about you?
Yeah....OK sport.
I think this guy has been smoking a different leafy substance then me.
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by AngrySmoker
on Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:51 pm |
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linkup wrote: I thought AngrySmoker and his site BlackHawkTobacco were in New Mexico.Although the prices he charges are about 6 dollars over cost per carton,it is a bargain if he does not, and will not report.I want an answer from him directly,not thru a moderator.
No we are in Palm Springs. What do you mean our prices are $6 over. Six dollars over what? We don't sell commercials, so we can't be compared to them. We only sell Native Brands. If you look at our prices, you'll see that we might charge a dollar or two more in carton prices, we don't gouge you on the shipping. a lot of companies will charge you per carton up to 30 cartons and then it is free. We charge a flat rate of $9 and after 10 cartons the postage is free. So, if you look at the total price that you are paying, we are reasonable. We could do the tricky postage thing too, but we don't. We like to treat people like we want to be treated. And there is nothing I hate more than added postage price to up the profits.
Now, we could do what some of the major retailers and buy in bulk. That way you get a lower bulk price. The problem is that the Native brands don't use preservatives so the shelf life is short (about a year). So, in general, we never order more than a two week supply to keep our products as fresh as possible. We will probably never change that policy. We'd rather lose the people who want to save some money with our bulk sales competitors, than sell our frequent customers stale cigarettes. |
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by AngrySmoker
on Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:10 pm |
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linkup wrote: You all can trust whomever you like. By the way, if the Feds are watching this website they already know of BlackHawk.I will never order from them based on your prior posts. Good Bye!!
Well, linkup, we are not that difficult to find and I am sure a lot of people are watching us. In fact, whenever the California Board of Equalization comes in to inspect us, we are watched rather closely.
So why do you think the "Feds" are out to get us? We pay federal taxes as do all Native American cigarette shops. We pay all the taxes that apply to us. Our lawyers make sure of it. We follow the current laws of the State of California, the United States government, our Sovereign government. If those laws were to change, we would follow those new laws. We follow the laws of the USA, even if we disagree with some of them.
And why are telephones calls a waste of time? Are emails and websites any more truthful compared to phones? I don't get the point. If we were going to lie to you, an email would be easier. |
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by PStwilite
on Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:34 pm |
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linkup wrote: I thought AngrySmoker and his site BlackHawkTobacco were in New Mexico.Although the prices he charges are about 6 dollars over cost per carton,it is a bargain if he does not, and will not report.I want an answer from him diirectly,not thru a moderator.
Wow! Linkup, you are asking the impossible. Forget Blackhawk for a minute and just generalize. Any tobacco store that sells cheap cigarettes do so because as of this time, they are permitted to. There is no way to guarantee what the guidelines will be in the future. You would ask someone to promise you that they will not report you? How can they. If I owned a cigarette shop and it came down to reporting you and still being able to take care of me and mine or not reporting you and putting my famiy at risk, I'm sorry but your getting a letter. Plain and simple. Now back to Blackhawk. I am a customer of both the shop for the 6 months a year that I'm in Palm Springs and mail order for the other 6 months. I do not know what you look for in a business but for me, it's price, product and customer service. These folks have an affordable price, an excellent product and top notch customer service. That'l why I buy there. The only way to really know is to try them. I have never received any letter yet and don't expect to unless the powers that be decide to change the laws. Do your homework before the next election and then vote. |
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by AngrySmoker
on Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:09 am |
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I appreciate the support. We tell people about this site, but I was never sure if anyone from Palm Springs local ever visited or not.
However...as much as I appreciate the support, you missed an important point. New laws usually aren't retroactive. That means that a new law doesn't apply to a period before it became enacted. So any reporting would be from the point that such a law came into effect. There is also usually a warning first. Generally if we were to be required to report, the law would say that all sales after a certain period would have to be reported to the particular organization in charge of the task.
Whether we report or not, has nothing to do with whether it is legal for us to sell cigarettes. Each state has individual laws. As citizens of any particular state, it is the responsiblity of that particular citizen to follow the local laws. What happens out of our still is not currently our responsibilities. We follow Federal and California law and can sell our products legally. What the buyer does, is not our responsibility.
It is no different than if you cross your state border to buy a high value item in a neighboring state because it has a lower sales tax. Some state's ask what your out of state purchases amount to when you fill out your tax forms. To lie to the government is to break a law. It isn't the responsibility of the seller to make sure the buyer obeys their local obligations. That's between the buyer and the local government.
Just because we don't have legally have to report yet, doesn't mean we encourage or support illegal behavior.
This section isn't for Smokers Rights, but I will say this. If you don't like your state laws, don't break them. Change them!! Vote pro-smoker. Organize. Rally. Speak out! Fight back! The current tax laws are designed to change the smoker's behavior. In America, that is not supposed to be the government's role. Worrying about how to cheat on sales taxes isn't going to solve the problem at hand. We need to say as a society that we don't want the government sanctioned morality police to decide what's right or wrong. Part of personal freedom contains an adult's right to decide their own actions and beliefs without the burden of opinion shaping taxes manipulating them. It isn't that hard of a concept to understand. Why send our boys and girls to die in foreign countries in the name of "freedom", when we are losing our freedom at home? Shouldn't we get our house in order first?
If every smoker would vote, no smoker would be forced to cheat on taxes. |
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by Tom
on Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:34 am |
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Quote: Just because we don't have legally have to report yet, doesn't mean we encourage or support illegal behavior.
I just placed an order the other day. I want to take a break from making my own. I don't think you'll have to report us for a while unless you get really big like the Seneca nation did, and CA wants to cash in. You say CA likes you though, so you should be ok. |
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by PStwilite
on Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:09 am |
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Point well taken Angry Smoker. I just found this site recently and am spending more and more time here. It is truly fascinating to read some of the posts. I look forward to enjoying all of your posts and wisdom!
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by smokinbear
on Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:08 am |
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| windycity, you should just drive to McHenry County where cigaettes are $32.47 a carton for all Brands, cheaper or generic. This is as of 26th of Dec 2006. |
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