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by Torquemeda
on Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:30 am |
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Hey anyone know anything about the federal venalation safety standards?
It appears as if the anti-smoking movement in the midwest is claiming that bars in any county that do not have a total smoking-ban, are over federal standards for the pollution safety code.
The last I read they were 450-times above federal safety standards.
I guess I'm curious why they are stating a study conducted by an anti-smoking movement (Natch!), is claiming any bar that allows smoking is over the federal limit, while I have heard they are way under the limit for hazardous health? |
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by DC
on Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:24 pm |
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Roland:
Don't know what the story in with the BtB censors. I think there have been some gremlins with the site as there have been times that I have been rejected by their electron gods. And boy, I don't handle rejection well! I would try again with your present address. If that doesn't work, set up another address like "RolandNiceGuy@-". Many ISPs offer multiple email addresses without charges. But please try. Your posts along with Torque and the many other good guys on this site have been keeping the banners soiling themselves.
Torque:
Haven't heard of any federal ventilation policy standards. I would seriously question the regulation and who the agency is which is responsible for enforcing it. As far as I know, OSHA and EPA are the agencies responsible for that area. And we know the facts and their records on SHS..
The banners did try to coerce the national trade association for the HVAC industry (can't remember their name) into stating that there was no effective air filtration system that would effectively remove SHS. As I remember the association ended up taking no position despite the pressure of Glantz and his gestapo. However, you might want to look into the new systems from Honeywell and Tornex which have been getting considerable publicity in Europe and on that wonderful site "Tobacco,org".
Please let me know what you find. If it is happening in your are now, it'll probably hit us soon.
Hope this helps you.
Please keep up the good fight. |
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by wingsfan
on Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:51 pm |
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I live very close to Toledo, Ohio. About 2 years ago, the city issued a smoking ban. It was only a short drive for people to visit the suburbian resturants and that's exactly what they did and exactly what we did.
I recently heard on the radio that an absurd amount of businesses went under within the first year of the ban. Upon last understanding, they were considering lifting the ban.
Nobody is eating in Toledo anymore and they are also loosing retail business because those who eat and shop (and let's face it ladies - the two go hand in hand...am I right?) are taking their business where they can do both.
This is living proof that the boycotting system does work. They sad thing about it is that most of the business owners don't want to be smoke free. They understand who their business comes from (especially resturants that serve alcohol).
My heart really goes out to the business owners who are forced to close their doors because of bullying politicians who think their elected postitions gives them the right to tell us what we can do during our lesure time.
If you don't like the music on a particular station or the program being shown on the TV channel, the solution is to turn it off. If you don't want to be in a smoking environment, the solution is STAY OUT!!! I'm sure the entrepreneurs would much rather loose that minimal amount of patrons than the amount they are currantly loosing.
That's just my opinion. |
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by Torquemeda
on Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:11 am |
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Well, Wingsfan, (Will the Wings lose to the Wild or Colorado more this year?), If someone doesn't like smoke, I'd suggest they stay the hell out of a bar because we really don't need their business anyway. They should go to one of these smoke-free bars that is completely enjoying the benefits of being smoke-free, according to your local smoke-free activist group.
I mean just look at the wonders the smoke-free law has done in Minneapolis.
What's amazing is not a one of these smoke-free idiots, has thought of the fact that some people enjoy smoking while they are drinking...and some people just enjoy smoking. |
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by DC
on Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:05 pm |
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Sorry to say guys, looks like Brooke is hanging up the towel. If you look at the message tonight, she's into total resignation. The site may be off the air shortly. A real shame!
While it looks like the DC ban will pass, my guess is that there is going to be a suit coming out of this. As I said before, this is the trophy city for the banners. If they take this city, they'll steamroller the rest of the country. And if the restaurant associations don't make a stand here, it's kiss it goodbye for the rest of the country.
This is a sad day and it really pisses me off. |
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by Zippy
on Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:37 pm |
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DC wrote: Sorry to say guys, looks like Brooke is hanging up the towel. If you look at the message tonight, she's into total resignation. The site may be off the air shortly. A real shame!
While it looks like the DC ban will pass, my guess is that there is going to be a suit coming out of this. As I said before, this is the trophy city for the banners. If they take this city, they'll steamroller the rest of the country. And if the restaurant associations don't make a stand here, it's kiss it goodbye for the rest of the country.
This is a sad day and it really pisses me off.
DC, You are absolutely wrong. Nobody across this Country really gives a rip about DC. Certainly no more then Houston, Omaha or Kalamazoo.
It is sad to see it "go to the Dark Side", but did you really think that a City that had a Hooker Chasing, Coke addicted loser for a Mayor wouldn't go smoke free? Washington DC? The City that most requires Big Government to exist?
No big loss, actually it will be like when the pro-banners say they are winning the fight because Cuba is smoke free. BIG DEAL
I don't mean to be insulting to Washington DC, but seriously, If you could live anywhere in the US, would Washington DC be in the Top 20 of most peoples choices?
Nope. |
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by DC
on Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:02 pm |
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Zip:
You're a good guy and the best ally in this fight anyone could ever wish for, but you're wrong. Once the banners take DC, they'll use the nation's capital as the propaganda tool to justify every ban from Leaksville, NC (there is such a place and it's adjacent to Spray) to Atlantic, Nebraska. This is the nation's capital and that carries some heavy weight with it. While you say nobody gives a [doodee] about DC (and I agree with you to an extent, considering some of the [doodee] legislation and regulations coming out of DC recently), these nazis are going to ride our asses into the ground with the propaganda value.
We're in deep [doodee] unless there is a serious court challenge. |
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by Zippy
on Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:24 pm |
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DC:
In a socialist town (and don't think the rest of the Country doesn't understand that Washington is the bluest of blue territories), your chances in court are equal to fighting a multi-million anti smoking campaign with a debating website.
If there is a City that will Determine how this fight continues it will be Chicago and Las Vegas, not Washington DC.
Seriously, no one in a Red State considers Washington as any more then a laughing stock. Most light blue States are the same way.
I mourn for the loss, but don't make it bigger then it really is. The reality is that there are few Cities that want to be like DC, just like there are few Countries wanting to be like Cuba.
The fight is still worth fighting. Remember the Nazi's were experts at winning battles and gaining territory, but winning wars and retaining power is a completely different situation. Don't fret, our side wins wars.
EDITED TO ADD:
Brooke and her group sold out months ago when they started hoping for a comprimise.
Remember, these are members of a cult (and, yes I am serious). They are like a pack of blood thirsty dogs. YOU MAY NOT SHOW WEAKNESS or they pounce on you and go for the throat.
Brooke and bantheban showed there weakness, and the nannies pounced.
It is typical of what happens in these battles. |
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by DC
on Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:48 pm |
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| As the only red soul in a blue town, I would be sending six air beers to ya'. But I'm drinking them myself. Got a light? |
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by Zippy
on Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:39 pm |
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It appears that you can no longer comment on the btb board.
Why would they do that? |
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