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by Smokinjoe on Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:06 pm
Smokers are facing a two pronged attack on their rights.
One is the oppressive taxation, the 2nd is from cities banning smoking.

Taxes we can fight by ordering online, driving to a lower tax state or making our own.
We know ordering online is under heavy fire and almost all states are raising taxes leaving MYO as our best option.

What can we do about the smoking bans: Do not patronize cities that have smoking bans-total boycott of all their bars, restuarants and businesses or anyone up for a smoke-in? Twisted Evil
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by redliner1989 on Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:25 pm
Joe, you are right.

The "War" is being waged on two fronts, but I disagree that these are different battles.

The "enemy" is the same on both fronts, and the way to defeat this enemy is also the same.

This enemy does not want land, it wants control and MOST IMPORTANT, cash.

Take away this enemies cash flow and the enemy retreats.

Like it or not, smokers are not populer. Politicians live and die by popularity, so political action is unlikely, and without a friendly media to back us up, public outcry will not be heard. Hold a "tea party", if the press does show up, it will only show the dark side of it.

I said it before, and I will say it again. We, who "make our own" are the front line soldiers in this war". We deny the enemy what IT CRAVES the most, control and money.

Here is a novel idea I have been contimplating. Tell me what you think:

I have been thinking of contacting several bulk tobacco companies, and machine manufacturers to get wholesale prices on equipment and supplies, Then start sponsoring "Home MYO" parties, not unlike tupperware parties or MaryKay parties, only showing smokers how to save money on Cigerettes, while at the same time organizing a resistance.

I have a feeling it would start slowly, but has some potential.

Ideas?
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by Charles on Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:13 pm
SmokinJoe,

I like your idea about the Smoke-in but at the moment without a Jersey ban we would have to go to NY to make a point!


Redliner,

I Love your idea about the MYO parties and would be willing to contribute to it but how long and how many people before the government levies heavy taxes on MYO products and makes that unaffordable also?


I agree with both you guys that something should be done and I'll toss my 2 cents in.

Lately, I have been thinking the Co-op idea that Calman had a while back
might be the best option but probably the hardest to get started. Also, I'm not positive if it could be legally done.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
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by redliner1989 on Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:02 pm
I am not familier with the Co-Op Idea. Can you shed some light on it.

As far as taxes levied on MYO. I simply do not see it as a major issue. Perhaps I am wrong, but the ingrediants for State's and the Feds to do much are simply not there IMO.
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by Guest on Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:03 pm
From page 7 of the Roll your own thread

Calman wrote:

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I did a brief search yesterday and found a few Co-op's but I think they sell only Internationaly.
Perhaps we should start a new topic on this to spread the idea around the group.
The few things I have found out are this:
The USDA has 117 grades of Tobacco!
I have yet to find their definition of what the grades mean or what grades we would be interested in using.
The Co-op page I visited appeared to sell in lots with one of the smaller lots being over 450 lbs. and the prices are between $2-2.90 a pound.
We would have to pay taxes to the feds if we got a lot of this and probably have it shipped to a low tax state for repackaging and fowarding to distribute it to members of the potential Co-op.
I have no idea if were breaking the law as long as we pay the taxes on this nor do I know if we need a special license to act as a distributer.
Then we have to consider that we are looking for a finished product like what we are buying retail now, so the question comes up that I doubt few farmers have the processing equipment to yield a finished type product. The Co-op page I saw appeared to offer the finished product so that would be the place to start and see what were looking at.
I think to make this work, were going to need 50 people in our Co-op who will buy 10lbs. each for a total of 500lbs. if we can do that and get our price down to $5 bucks or so a lb. then we will save a bunch of $$$$ over paying retail at about $25 a lb.
Another thing to consider is how long 10lbs. is going to last for the average buyer. In my case it would be a 6-8 month supply, but the more members we have, the more we can spread around to make this work.
I think the first thing that needs to be done is to check the law.
It looks to me that the feds are trying to get every angle on this covered so they can collect their taxes or proscute anyone trying to get around their rules.
Anyone here from a Tobacco growing state (NC, SC, VA, KY etc.) should join us on this as I think they would be a better information source than us East or West coast insurgents.
Any thoughts any of you have are worth discussing and perhaps we can better hone this idea with brighter minds than mine


I have done some searching on the laws but I only seem to find laws concerning the manufacturing and selling of cigarettes for profit.
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by Smokinjoe on Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:03 pm
I,m thinking it will take years for them to get around to dealing with MYO, look how long its taken them to confront online cigarettes with buyers leaving tracks all over the place.
Think about it, how cool is this: State raises cigarette taxes so smokes cost $50 a carton, smokers say NO and have theirs delivered to their mailbox for $20 a carton-this has been flying right in their faces for 4 years or better now.
It is not illegal, no one is questioning the legality, all they are doing is snooping out the paper trail and demanding the tax payments due by law for out of state purchases.
If everyone had been doing this using cash and picking the cigarettes up there would have been no paper trail thus no problem for the buyer.

With MYO everything is way above board and there is absolutely no paper trail plus no advantage to traveling out of state.

Red: You may be onto something BIG with that MYO party concept, next thing you know Rubbermaid will be selling a Rubbermatic for myo cigarettes and you gave them the idea by kicking it around publicly.

Charles: Yeah we would have to go to NYC, thats where the ban problem began, right?
What I have in mind is get a few hundred smokers to meet there and go into a place where smoking is banned and all light up in defiance of their law, we could chain ourselves together and wait for the law to separate us and drag us off to jail but I think it would be wiser to scatter before the law got there in force in order to avoid paying any fines to the scumbag city while at the same time forcing them to call in the reserves.
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by Charles on Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:09 pm
SmokinJoe wrote:

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Charles: Yeah we would have to go to NYC, thats where the ban problem began, right?
What I have in mind is get a few hundred smokers to meet there and go into a place where smoking is banned and all light up in defiance of their law, we could chain ourselves together and wait for the law to separate us and drag us off to jail but I think it would be wiser to scatter before the law got there in force in order to avoid paying any fines to the scumbag city while at the same time forcing them to call in the reserves.


Laughing The Law! I'm more afraid of some of those bouncers! Laughing

P.S. I posted the Co-op explanation from Cal-man (I forgot to login AGAIN)
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by Charles on Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:42 pm
Cal-man,

Can you elaborate on the Co-op idea?

Does anyone else have an opinion or suggestion on this subject?
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by Roland on Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:33 pm
My idea for a coop was to get enough members together to buy a commercial cigarette manufacturing machine. Sell tubes and tobacco to the members, then show them how to load the machine and press the start button. The members maker their own cigs and purchase tobacco and tubes wholesale using the buying power of bulk.
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by ladybond on Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:54 pm
Wouldn't that be a dream. Count me in.
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