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by William B. Blakemore on Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:41 am
I just reread the posts in this thread, and noticed that I haven't really posted a clear, concise explanation of why I think the NJ tobacco excise tax can't be applied to Internet transations. So here goes ... please remember that I AM NOT A LAWYER NOR A TAX PROFESSIONAL, and what I'm going to write represents an uninformed layman's opinion of what he thinks This All Means. Consult a professional for advice in your particular circumstances, do not rely on what I say as anything more than an educated guess.


As a bit of background, the federal Internet Tax Freedom Act of 1998, among other things, declared a moratorium on the application of certain types of taxes to Internet ecommerce. The moratorium was scheduled to run for three years, until 2001. Prior to the moratium's expiration in 2001, the Internet Tax Nondiscrimination Act of 2001 extended the moratorium until November, 2003. Finally, the Internet Tax Nondiscrimination of 2004 was signed in December, 2004, extending the moratorium until 2007. This means the moratorium was in effect from 1998 until the current time, with the possible exception of a thirteen month window, from November, 2003 until December, 2004.

Under the terms of the moratorium, two types of taxes may not be imposed by any state or local government -- "discriminatory" taxes and "multiple" taxes -- and one type of tax -- a sales/use tax -- is expressly permitted. I won't try to explain "discriminatory" taxes, since they're not relevant to my argument.

Even though the federal statutes refer to "multiple" taxes, the easiest way to understand "multiple" taxes is to think in terms of double taxation. The idea is that you shouldn't be liable for the same tax in both states ... in my specific case, since Virginia (where cigoutlet.com was located) and New Jersey both have a tobacco excise tax, I shouldn't be required to pay tobacco excise taxes to BOTH states, because I purchased my cigarettes over the Internet. Since cigoutlet.com was legally liable to collect Virginia tobacco excise tax as part of the purchase price, as a tobacco retailer, my liability to pay New Jersey tobacco excise tax would constitute double (or "multiple") taxation.

However, there is a key element necessary to determining whether or not the New Jersey tobacco excise tax constitutes "multiple" taxation, under the ITFA -- that element is "reciprocity." If the New Jersey Cigarette Tax Act (which establishes the NJ tobacco excise tax) allows me to claim a credit for the amount of Virginia excise tax paid -- in effect, providing a "reciprocal" credit for the Virginia tax -- then I'm only paying the original tax due under New Jersey law, and I am NOT being doubly, or multiply, taxed.

As of this writing, I still haven't gotten my hands on the full text of the New Jersey Cigarette Tax Law, and so, can't state with certainty yet that it lacks reciprocity. If the New Jersey law (or any other state excise tax law), lacks reciprocity with the Virginia tobacco excise tax, then (by my reading of the statutes), then that law represents "multiple" taxation, which is forbidden by the ITFA, for any time period during which the moratorium was in effect.

I hope that this post will provide some insight into why I feel the New Jersey tobacco excise tax POSSIBLY may not be being legally applied to Internet purchases. Again, I wish to stress that I'm not competent to give anyone legal advice, nor am I trying to ... I'm only posting this in the hopes that others in my situation across the nation will get some insight into the issues and arguments involved.
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by disgusted on Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:54 am
Once again I thank you William..............for the info.

I wish more people knew of this site!

I talked to a girl again today in the NJ taxation dept. She said we might stand a chance if we had groups of 100's fighting this.
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by William B. Blakemore on Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:43 am
disgusted wrote:
I talked to a girl again today in the NJ taxation dept. She said we might stand a chance if we had groups of 100's fighting this.


My advice is not to listen to her about that. Smile

As a practical matter, I fully expect the NJ Division of Taxation to reject my argument (if indeed the Cigarette Tax Act lacks reciprocity, as I expect it to). I don't anticipate that they will willingly disregard the tax laws they are obligated to enforce.

Ultimately, though, this issue won't be determined by how many people object, nor will it be determined by either my reading of the laws nor the NJ State Treasurer's. While anyone can interpret the law however they wish, the only interpretation that will have any significance will be the one adjudicated in federal court, as a result of a lawsuit.
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by disgusted on Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:23 am
William-
Keep me posted what you are doing on this.
I am typing up my letter of appeal right now.

Still wish there were more people on here or who knew about this site.......would like to know what others are doing.
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by William B. Blakemore on Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:39 am
William B. Blakemore wrote:
As a bit of background, the federal Internet Tax Freedom Act of 1998, among other things, declared a moratorium on the application of certain types of taxes to Internet ecommerce. The moratorium was scheduled to run for three years, until 2001. Prior to the moratium's expiration in 2001, the Internet Tax Nondiscrimination Act of 2001 extended the moratorium until November, 2003. Finally, the Internet Tax Nondiscrimination of 2004 was signed in December, 2004, extending the moratorium until 2007. This means the moratorium was in effect from 1998 until the current time, with the possible exception of a thirteen month window, from November, 2003 until December, 2004.


I just spoke with a legislative aide to Sen. George Allen (R-VA), who sponsored the Internet Tax Nondiscrimination Act of 2004. He informed me that the 2004 statute not only extended the tax moratorium until 2007, but that moratorium was also made retroactive to November, 2003. So we can forget about the thirteen month window I mentioned in my previous post -- the moratorium applies continuously from the original 1998 bill through 2007.

He also mentioned that there was another bill in Congress (submitted in the 2004 session, not by Senator Allen) which was designed to specifically exclude tobaco excise taxes from the moratorium. He was unsure whether or not that bill was passed, but made the point that it probably wouldn't apply to any period before its passage (if it has passed at all).
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by William B. Blakemore on Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:26 pm
Hi, folks ...

For those of you who may not be following other threads, I've been having a conversation with mickeybitsko, who apparently has a legal background himself.

If you'll recall my original argument against the excise tax, I contended that the ITFA, while allowing "a sales and use tax", would have prohibited the application of a "multiple" tobacco excise tax. Mickey makes the argument that the tobacco excise tax is itself a form of sales and use tax -- if he is correct, then the tobacco excise tax would be also be allowed under the ITFA, by definition.

I don't know if his position is correct, and I'll certainly be referring the question to a local attorney. But I did want to pass the word as soon as possible to everyone that's been following this thread, that my argument may have some holes.
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by Guest on Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:08 am
William B. Blakemore wrote:
I just reread the posts in this thread, and noticed that I haven't really posted a clear, concise explanation of why I think the NJ tobacco excise tax can't be applied to Internet transations. So here goes ... please remember that I AM NOT A LAWYER NOR A TAX PROFESSIONAL, and what I'm going to write represents an uninformed layman's opinion of what he thinks This All Means. Consult a professional for advice in your particular circumstances, do not rely on what I say as anything more than an educated guess.


As a bit of background, the federal Internet Tax Freedom Act of 1998, among other things, declared a moratorium on the application of certain types of taxes to Internet ecommerce. The moratorium was scheduled to run for three years, until 2001. Prior to the moratium's expiration in 2001, the Internet Tax Nondiscrimination Act of 2001 extended the moratorium until November, 2003. Finally, the Internet Tax Nondiscrimination of 2004 was signed in December, 2004, extending the moratorium until 2007. This means the moratorium was in effect from 1998 until the current time, with the possible exception of a thirteen month window, from November, 2003 until December, 2004.

Under the terms of the moratorium, two types of taxes may not be imposed by any state or local government -- "discriminatory" taxes and "multiple" taxes -- and one type of tax -- a sales/use tax -- is expressly permitted. I won't try to explain "discriminatory" taxes, since they're not relevant to my argument.

Even though the federal statutes refer to "multiple" taxes, the easiest way to understand "multiple" taxes is to think in terms of double taxation. The idea is that you shouldn't be liable for the same tax in both states ... in my specific case, since Virginia (where cigoutlet.com was located) and New Jersey both have a tobacco excise tax, I shouldn't be required to pay tobacco excise taxes to BOTH states, because I purchased my cigarettes over the Internet. Since cigoutlet.com was legally liable to collect Virginia tobacco excise tax as part of the purchase price, as a tobacco retailer, my liability to pay New Jersey tobacco excise tax would constitute double (or "multiple") taxation.

However, there is a key element necessary to determining whether or not the New Jersey tobacco excise tax constitutes "multiple" taxation, under the ITFA -- that element is "reciprocity." If the New Jersey Cigarette Tax Act (which establishes the NJ tobacco excise tax) allows me to claim a credit for the amount of Virginia excise tax paid -- in effect, providing a "reciprocal" credit for the Virginia tax -- then I'm only paying the original tax due under New Jersey law, and I am NOT being doubly, or multiply, taxed.

As of this writing, I still haven't gotten my hands on the full text of the New Jersey Cigarette Tax Law, and so, can't state with certainty yet that it lacks reciprocity. If the New Jersey law (or any other state excise tax law), lacks reciprocity with the Virginia tobacco excise tax, then (by my reading of the statutes), then that law represents "multiple" taxation, which is forbidden by the ITFA, for any time period during which the moratorium was in effect.

I hope that this post will provide some insight into why I feel the New Jersey tobacco excise tax POSSIBLY may not be being legally applied to Internet purchases. Again, I wish to stress that I'm not competent to give anyone legal advice, nor am I trying to ... I'm only posting this in the hopes that others in my situation across the nation will get some insight into the issues and arguments involved.
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by Guest on Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:56 pm
I just received a letter from NJ today...from what period are they going after people? I cannot even remember buying from these sites, and I am trying to figure out by checking old statements? I have not bought on the internet in ages...
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by Disgusted on Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:27 am
They went back to 2001 ---- I am requesting invoices from them.
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by LSL761 on Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:45 pm
Ok, I got a letter today from the IL Dept. of Revenue saying I owed money for 5 cartons of cigarettes I bought from Cigarette Outlet, 1303 Grumman Drive, Richmond, VA 23229. They included late filing penalties, late payment pentalties and interest. I never even knew I had to file or pay anything. Has anyone found a way to avoid paying or reduce the amout owed?
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