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by Zander
on Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:41 pm |
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Can anyone give me a link to buy some of the PIPE TOBACCO that I can smoke?
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by JohnC
on Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:02 pm |
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by libertarian99
on Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:45 pm |
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gilster wrote: Generally speaking tobacco is tobacco - different plants will have different characteristics that the segments of tobacco enjoyment favor historically - Cigar-Pipe-Cigarette--Chew-Snus-Snuff.
It's the processing that apparently really makes the difference.
I don't know anything about botany or how plants are classified, but I would think with all the genetic engineering that's being done nowadays, it wouldn't be that hard to alter a non-crucial characteristic of the plant to create something that would no longer fit the legal definition of tobacco, but which could still be smoked the same as tobacco.
For example, if you could alter one or more genes of the tobacco plant and make it a creeping vine, would it still legally count as tobacco? I would think that nicotine could be altered slightly without changing the pharmacological effect, if that's the crucial element.
You can't levy tobacco taxes on something that isn't quite tobacco.
I have a pretty wild imagination, but the possibilities are intriguing.
I hope you are listening, evil tobacco company trolls! You are welcome to cart off my idea, if it will help keep tyranny at bay. |
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by Zander
on Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:39 pm |
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Yea, I know, there are so many of them I don't know which too buy? That is why I was asking someone for a link...
Can you direct me to one that is about the same as Marlboro Reds?
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by gilster
on Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:04 pm |
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Zander wrote:
Yea, I know, there are so many of them I don't know which to buy? That is why I was asking someone for a link...
Can you direct me to one that is about the same as Marlboro Reds?
Thanks all!
You are really going to have to experiment on your own for what you will like - tubes make a difference too - experimentation with different tubes is a must.
There's some guidance on what brands most people like here:
http://forum.ryorevolution.com/viewforum.php?f=16&sid=c169d99a71c740b3d68659b037e62735
Most people who start try to mimic their current pre-made brand but RYO goes much further in the tastes of the tobacco....plus, you'll never get one exactly unless you start adding flavors, chemicals and additives like the Big tobacco guys do - oh, and it will be difficult to find FSC tubes so they go out all the time like Marlboro Reds  |
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by Roddy
on Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:29 pm |
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| Our smoke shop has been getting in 4 Aces pipe tobacco. It's just Gambler cigarette tobacco that's been repackaged. At $6.19 for six ounces you can't pass it up. I've got several pounds now and will continue to stockpile as much as I can before it's gone forever. I hope to have fifty pounds before that happens. |
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by White Rabbit
on Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:14 pm |
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by jackz7
on Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:18 pm |
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I don't think the #'s of people using pipe tobacco for MYO is very significant at all, in fact they are a big minority. In fact, I don't think the MYO/RYO market is that large compared to the normal corporate cigs most people smoke. Also, I find the pipe tobacco requires more of a learning curve for most and they would rather buy a pack at the store. I don't know anyone who does MYO at all.
There is a tobacco store about 20 miles away from me and their big sellers are packs of cigs, cigars and some MYO (Gambler, Rave, Midnight etc)tobaccos with a very small selection. Whenever I stop in 90% of the customers are buying pack of cigs. They tell me the MYO biz has been growing over the years but is less than 5% of their biz. Oh, and they sell very little pipe tobacco and usually only the aromatics.
I have tried the pipe tob and find there is a bit more work/knowledge involved--not for everyone for sure. Years ago I switched to MYO tobaccos and even with the increased SCHIP tax I only spend about 1.50- 2.50 per pack depending on the tobaccos. For me, that is not very expensive though I truly pity those spending 6-8 bucks a pack. And since I began MYO, I smoke much less. |
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by dayworks
on Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:52 am |
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Pipe Tobacco Links
Zander, here's a couple of links for D&R pipe tobacco, which in the opinion of many, is among the world's best tobaccos for pipe, RYO, snuffing and maybe even snusing...
Trish's Cafe - Trish's carries the entire D&R (2 Daughters) product line. Their pricing reflects 2 Daughters MSR (Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price). They don't sell tubes or papers.
Habana Premium Cigar Shop - Habana is known to most as P&C (Pipes & Cigars). They carry many pipe tobaccos suitable for RYO. Their D&R offerings are currently limited but it is my understanding is they'll be expanding those this very week. Their pricing is excellent.
Pipe & RYO Tobacco Differences
As for differences between pipe and cigarette tobaccos, there are no real ones but one which I'll explain shortly. The majority of the difference is composed of myth simply how people choose to smoke the stuff. People have tried for years to establish physical differences and have never been able to do so. Thus, the only real difference that has existed between the two tobaccos has been in how they are marketed. That's the only way they are distinguished by law. That was the 'loophole' if one wishes to call it that.
However, marketing differences go beyond packaging. The product itself must be suitable for the purpose it is branded for. This is true not only of tobacco, but all products. In the case of tobacco manufacturers moving their products from RYO to pipe, some simply changed the packaging. Those are ones that will no doubt be forced to cease and desist. Others like D&R and Stokkebye literally changed their product lines physically so as to make them perfectly suitable for pipe smoking in every regard. In fact, the are more suited to pipe than RYO although they are loose tobaccos and can therefor be rolled or stuffed just fine.
I think it is worth pointing out that many in RYO have been smoking pipe tobaccos from long-time pipe baccymakers for years. Practically every pipe tobacco manufacturer makes products perfectly suitable either right out of the bag, pouch or tin and most of the rest only require a little 'rubbing-out' and drying. So there really hasn't been any trickery involved in some companies and many smokers moving to pipe baccy. Anti-smoking advocates, congress and big cigarette companies were largely just to stupid to see it coming. I hope y'all find some of this info useful. |
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by runamok
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