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by smallbird
on Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:51 pm |
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by Richie
on Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:18 am |
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| Rugby players, despite the fact they suffer broken bones and bruises in their sport, suffer almost no concussions - unlike American football players. The main difference is the helmet, supposedly for protection, but which football players use as a weapon in itself. The law of unintended consequences as it applies to the Nannie state. It seem they started pushing the dangers of smoking around the time when the filtered and "light" cigarettes came out. I much prefer a big cigar, or self-rolled anything. |
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by Richie
on Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:23 am |
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| smallbird - oops. I did have a 'large' beer, but more like browsing than carousing. thanks. |
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by libertarian99
on Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:06 pm |
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Richie wrote: We all do what we want, anyway. But, what you 'want' can be a subconscious- rebellious decision, or a conscious one . Conscious, autonomous decisions don't come paired with justifications. I suppose that's a different level of freedom.
By definition, you don't know what's in your own subconscious mind. So how can you claim that your own decisions are conscious, autonomous decisions? You can't! You are no different than anyone else. You make decisions that are driven by subconscious urges without realizing it.
If there's one thing I cannot stand, it's an arrogant person. The best thing anyone could do to improve the quality of life on earth would be to round up all the arrogant people, herd them into a rocket and shoot them into outer space. |
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by Richie
on Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:23 pm |
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Quote: So are you claiming that you're some kind of enlightened being who is further along on the evolutionary scale than we are?
By definition, you don't know what's in your own subconscious mind. So how can you claim that your own decisions are conscious, autonomous decisions? You can't! You are no different than anyone else. You make decisions that are driven by subconscious urges without realizing it.
If there's one thing I cannot stand, it's an arrogant person. The best thing anyone could do to improve the quality of life on earth would be to round up all the arrogant people, herd them into a rocket and shoot them into outer space
I include myself in the "we," so don't get where you think I feel further along; and I agree, absolutely agree, that my decisions are driven by subconscious urges without realizing it. I can look at past decisions as evidence. Knowing all that, I see value in being open to making some of the subconscious conscious. Just a personal hobby.
And, just wondering -- who would have the competence (arrogance) to select the cosmic-arrogant exiles? That's one committee I wouldn't want to be on. |
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by libertarian99
on Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:56 am |
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Richie wrote: And, just wondering -- who would have the competence (arrogance) to select the cosmic-arrogant exiles? That's one committee I wouldn't want to be on. |
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by Richie
on Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:44 am |
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Quote: No committee would be needed. Everyone would have the right to nominate someone for a seat on the rocket. Then others would get a chance to vote on whether or not they wanted to shoot the person into outer space. Exceed a certain number of votes and you're gone!
Sounds like politics as usual  |
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by libertarian99
on Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:47 pm |
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Richie wrote: I just joined this forum and have been carousing the posts. Most I agree with, some facts I find interesting, and some I dispute (like smokers having fewer colds). But that's besides the point. I find the frequent use of the word freedom interesting. Yes, of course we're free to smoke or not. But, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
I'm probably the only person who wrote a book (link below) on how to stop smoking that invites the reader to sit back and burn one while reading. I also suggest the smoker give honor to tobacco's rich heritage and traditions. And if someone wants to smoke, or anything else -- as long as it doesn't interfere with other's right, I have no objection. We all do what we want, anyway. But, what you 'want' can be a subconscious- rebellious decision, or a conscious one . Conscious, autonomous decisions don't come paired with justifications. I suppose that's a different level of freedom.
http://thedoublemessage.com/
"Vital Lies, Simple Truths: The Psychology of Self-Deception" by Daniel Goleman
It's available at this link:
http://www.amazon.com/Vital-Lies-Simple-Truths-Self-Deception/dp/0684831074/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257377929&sr=1-3
I, too, am fascinated by how people think and how they create blind spots in their own life to keep their fears at bay. The self-deception doesn't end when you quit smoking, though. It's built into the human psyche for survival purposes. Without blind spots, we would all go insane. |
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by Richie
on Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:23 pm |
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Quote: libertarian99 wrote:
Without blind spots, we would all go insane.
I've read his emotional intelligence books, but not that one -- I'll add it to my list.
My initial thought (before going to bed after a very long day), is that the fear of going insane causes more suffering than "going insane," which according to R'D. Laing (read him?) is a form of natural healing -- which in our modern culture is more a feared place to be stuck in than a transcendence, and so a self-fulfilling expectation.
http://www.amazon.com/Divided-Self-Existential-Madness-Psychology/dp/0140135375/ref=pd_sim_b_4
The politics of experience is a good intro.
Enjoying the dialog. |
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by libertarian99
on Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:17 am |
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Richie wrote: I'm probably the only person who wrote a book (link below) on how to stop smoking that invites the reader to sit back and burn one while reading. I also suggest the smoker give honor to tobacco's rich heritage and traditions. And if someone wants to smoke, or anything else -- as long as it doesn't interfere with other's right, I have no objection. We all do what we want, anyway. But, what you 'want' can be a subconscious- rebellious decision, or a conscious one . Conscious, autonomous decisions don't come paired with justifications. I suppose that's a different level of freedom.
http://thedoublemessage.com/ |
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