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by awkwardjonas
on Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:23 pm |
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Recently, the community college I attend has become a "tobacco free campus." We are no longer permitted to smoke outside, on our way to class, or even in our cars if they are parked on college property.
Between now and the end of the year, we do not get in "trouble" but we get a warning card, explaining the new policy and directing us to smoking cessation programs. After the new year, it is $25, then $50 for each subsequent "offense." And if they think we are being flagrant, we are referred to the Dean for disciplinary action.
There has to be something that can be done about this, isn't there? I undestand, people do not like cigarette smoke, but instead of giving us a smoking area, they banned us outright. |
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by garhkal
on Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:22 pm |
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| Vote with your pocket books. Take your classes elsewhere. IMO if the school sees droves of kids leaving cause of this ban, they will change their mind. I would also look into a lawsuit against the school since they have no right to tell you what you can do in your own car. |
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by dumpstermcnuggets
on Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:27 pm |
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What's weird about the very few local colleges(traditional 4 year colleges, community colleges, or whatever type they are) that have adopted campus smoking bans, most of them seem to be in Northwest Indiana, for whatever very weird reason! (i.e. Valparaiso University, Indiana University-Northwest(in Gary), etc.) The reason I said that, is Northwest Indiana(and Southeast Wisconsin, for one more year still the WI state ban starts) are about the only smoker-friendly areas left near Chicago.  I'm glad a few on the NW Indiana side have resisted that trend, such as Purdue University-Calumet(in Hammond, and a very nice college too, from someone who's visited PUC before).
OTOH, I think the only college on the Illinois side of the Chicago area that comes to mind that has such a ban is Wheaton College. And since they are a conservative Christian college, I'm not as surprised about hearing they adopted a ban. Still, any college that adopts such a ban is fucking stupid! |
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by Khas
on Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:19 am |
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I live in North Carolina, a suburb of Winston-Salem in fact, and attend a community college where I am working toward my Paralegal Degree. We just got notification that our school will adopt a no smoking anwhere on campus policy that includes inside private vehicles.
I've just about reached my limit with this blatent descrimination. I understand no smoking in buildings - in fact I have not smoked indoors for about 15 years, but we're talking about the great outside here. These people can ban me from smoking outside when I have to wade through the ocean of BO, cheap perfume, walk over the grass I am allergic to, and finally into a parking lot filled with combustion engine vehicles pumping more carcenogens into the air in a single startup than I will in my whole entire short smoker's life.
I think that anyone who can at all remember a particular class of people having to sit in the rear of a bus, or use a waterfountain that was specifically labeled for them should be outraged by this policy.
I want to see statistics for how many college students had ill effects from passing through 2nd hand smoke outside of a building. The PPM of any toxin in the great outside has to be significantly diluted, yet we are singled out as tho we stand outside the buildings waiting to pounce on non-smokers and breathe our smoke into thier faces!
I've tried to contact the tobacco companies for help fighting this sort of ban but they are so busy doing thier own damage control they have no interest in making such public waves. What can we do? Changing schools is simply not an easy or remotely convenient option and the colleges know that, I can scarecely afford to attend there let alone having to start all over at another school (credits rarely transfer) and I'm at a loss for clever ways to drive out point home.
I tried to organize a protest but most of the smokers I encountered were more interested in complaining about the new policy than actually having to do anything to fight it.
What are others doing about this? Anything? Is anything working? or do we just lay down and make mental notes of one more place we can't smoke. I am frustrated, outraged and feel incredibly helpless. |
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by debo
on Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:01 pm |
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| Please take my short survey that is exactly what I am working on right now...to enable smokers the right to smoke! |
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by runamok
on Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:04 pm |
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Khas wrote: I want to see statistics for how many college students had ill effects from passing through 2nd hand smoke outside of a building. The PPM of any toxin in the great outside has to be significantly diluted, yet we are singled out as tho we stand outside the buildings waiting to pounce on non-smokers and breathe our smoke into thier faces!
Surely you have figured out by now that the anti-smoking movement has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's health.
Khas wrote: I've tried to contact the tobacco companies for help fighting this sort of ban...
Khas wrote: What are others doing about this? Anything? Is anything working? or do we just lay down and make mental notes of one more place we can't smoke. I am frustrated, outraged and feel incredibly helpless.
We come to places like this and bitch. The anti-smoking machine is fully fueled and is steamrolling populations around the world and there's really very little to be done. Even the majority of smokers are on-board with all the second-hand-smoke propaganda, etc.
By the way...WELCOME! |
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by garhkal
on Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:06 pm |
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| It is things like this which make me want to be an evil mutant, then i would unleash my powers on those collage fratards who make up these rules.. |
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by Khas
on Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:34 pm |
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runamok wrote: Khas wrote: I want to see statistics for how many college students had ill effects from passing through 2nd hand smoke outside of a building. The PPM of any toxin in the great outside has to be significantly diluted, yet we are singled out as tho we stand outside the buildings waiting to pounce on non-smokers and breathe our smoke into thier faces!
Surely you have figured out by now that the anti-smoking movement has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's health.
Actually I was naieve enough to believe that was thier motive...obviously until now.
Khas wrote: I've tried to contact the tobacco companies for help fighting this sort of ban... Don't waste your time. They sold their customers down the river years ago trying to save their own skin. Yet they will be skinned in the end anyway.
I feared as much...
Khas wrote: What are others doing about this? Anything? Is anything working? or do we just lay down and make mental notes of one more place we can't smoke. I am frustrated, outraged and feel incredibly helpless.
We come to places like this and bitch. The anti-smoking machine is fully fueled and is steamrolling populations around the world and there's really very little to be done. Even the majority of smokers are on-board with all the second-hand-smoke propaganda, etc.
Well I sure fell for it, is there any proof that this 2nd hand smoke claim is bogus? Where can I obtain the info?
By the way...WELCOME!
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