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by Seano on Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:47 pm
libertarian99 wrote:

Are you a native English speaker or is English a second or third language? That's another explanation for the strange word sequences.


Please provide a couple of examples, so maybe I can help unravel the mysteries.

I am a native English speaker. US Eng. is my second language though.
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by libertarian99 on Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:07 pm
Seano wrote:
libertarian99 wrote:

Are you a native English speaker or is English a second or third language? That's another explanation for the strange word sequences.


Please provide a couple of examples, so maybe I can help unravel the mysteries.

I am a native English speaker. US Eng. is my second language though.
Okay, I will try to show you what my thought processes are when I read one of your posts, so you can see where I'm getting confused. My comments are highlighted in bold italics.

Twenty percent of the population [you talk about people here] or twelve out of every sixty years [then you switch to some kind of Chinese calendar] are Chinese Fire Animals. Years of the Dragon add four more years to somewhere just under 27% of any given population over any given lifetime or two.[How can years be added to a percentage of the population?]

Occidentally [what's that?], around 25% of all Zodiac signs are Fire, and then there are less influential factors such as ascendant or moon [I understand this part a little].

If family history [what does that have to do with the Chinese calendar?] might be left for another topic, and considering the stars that you just happen to have been born under without your prior consent, and taking into account that it's a perpetual minority in a perfect world without any of the obvious pros or cons [this phrase seems like word salad], how significant could one's horoscope be in the decision to enjoy tobacco or not? Nature or nurture? [nature or nurture is a phrase that has nothing to do with astrology]


See how confused I am while reading this post? I just wondered if you were mentally translating your thoughts from another language into English. Are you practicing your English on us?
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by Seano on Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:11 pm
Thanks mate. Now I have some specified explanations to provide. Give me a few minutes to address each point so that these admittedly obtuse parts can be explained.

I'll edit this post immediately.

libertarian99 wrote:
Okay, I will try to show you what my thought processes are when I read one of your posts, so you can see where I'm getting confused. My comments are highlighted in bold italics.

Twenty percent of the population [you talk about people here] or twelve out of every sixty years [then you switch to some kind of Chinese calendar] are Chinese Fire Animals. Years of the Dragon add four more years to somewhere just under 27% of any given population over any given lifetime or two.[How can years be added to a percentage of the population?]

Occidentally [what's that?], around 25% of all Zodiac signs are Fire, and then there are less influential factors such as ascendant or moon [I understand this part a little].

If family history [what does that have to do with the Chinese calendar?] might be left for another topic, and considering the stars that you just happen to have been born under without your prior consent, and taking into account that it's a perpetual minority in a perfect world without any of the obvious pros or cons [this phrase seems like word salad], how significant could one's horoscope be in the decision to enjoy tobacco or not? Nature or nurture? [nature or nurture is a phrase that has nothing to do with astrology]


See how confused I am while reading this post? I just wondered if you were mentally translating your thoughts from another language into English. Are you practicing your English on us?


In the Chinese or Oriental stars, the elements of Fire, Water, Metal, Wood, and Earth constitute 12 years each, to repeat every sixty years. So, assuming a theoretically constant birth rate over 120 years, around 20% of any given population of adults are likely to be Fire Elements, of twelve different kinds of animal - one for each year. I am a Fire Goat, but some say 'Ram' rather than goat. The Capricorn Sun Sign in my Occidental or 'Western' horoscope tends to make it simpler to think of the goat for both the oriental and occidental zodiacs.

One very important concern IMHO when deciding whether to ride in the smoking cabin on the train of life is one's family history and genetics, so if every ancestor in one's family has died from some illness that has been known as an outcome of tobacco smoking, then this should take precedence (nature not nurture) over the less predictable nature of the stars.


With that warning, but not meaning to bring genetics (nature) into this topic, we cannot change our star-signs like we switch channels on a television. We are born as we are born, and it's for life. Whether we are breast-fed or bottle-fed, nurture has nothing to do with our stars. Ergo it is nature. What we are taught at school, both in and out of the classroom, and what we watch on television or read in books would rate as 'nurture' as far as the decision to smoke or not might go.

In this thread, I'm more curious as to whether there might be anyone else who has a fire element of the oriental or occidental kind in their stars, and might that have an effect on one's decision on the 'pros and cons'; the media propaganda along with the pornographic warnings on packets, or likewise back in the olden days, the tv ads with movie stars and beautiful women smoking by the poolside ala lifestyles of the rich and famous?
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by libertarian99 on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:08 pm
Seano wrote:
In this thread, I'm more curious as to whether there might be anyone else who has a fire element of the oriental or occidental kind in their stars, and might that have an effect on one's decision on the 'pros and cons'; the media propaganda along with the pornographic warnings on packets, or likewise back in the olden days, the tv ads with movie stars and beautiful women smoking by the poolside ala lifestyles of the rich and famous?
Well, thanks for explaining all that. I think I would have to reveal my birth date to find out, though, and Gilster has made me far too paranoid for that!
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by Seano on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:14 pm
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Well, thanks for explaining all that. I think I would have to reveal my birth date to find out, though, and Gilster has made me far too paranoid for that!


I would prefer that others with reasons to maintain some sort of anonymity keep actual dates and times of birth to themselves, and merely report the results, as far as Sun Sign, Ascendant, Moon, and Chinese animal and element.

The exact date and time need not be given, although the Chinese sign would narrow one's age down to a single year out of sixty, which is easy enough to work out. That's not all that personal though, I hope. Not as personal as the exact date and time.
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by libertarian99 on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:36 pm
Seano wrote:
libertarian99 wrote:
Well, thanks for explaining all that. I think I would have to reveal my birth date to find out, though, and Gilster has made me far too paranoid for that!


I would prefer that others with reasons to maintain some sort of anonymity keep actual dates and times of birth to themselves, and merely report the results, as far as Sun Sign, Ascendant, Moon, and Chinese animal and element.

The exact date and time need not be given, although the Chinese sign would narrow one's age down to a single year out of sixty, which is easy enough to work out. That's not all that personal though, I hope. Not as personal as the exact date and time.
Chinese astrology is not for me. I think I am a Pig, and that's all I need to know about it!
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by gilster on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:37 pm
All I know is every time I go to a Chinese Restaurant and look at a placemat I'm reminded that my sign and my husbands sign are extremely incompatible - We've been looking at those mats for 26 years now - lol
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by Seano on Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:57 pm
I suppose the occidental star signs wouldn't be Sagittarius, nor Leo, and I can be sure of the third, but I believe it might be Aries as the three Fire signs of the western zodiac. Capricorn is Earth, and pisces is Water, as far as I'm aware, so for myself, it's only the Chinese Fire Goat that I can thank for this forum, but considering the chances of at least one fire element in anyone's stars are roughly 25% + 27% + ?? = 50% at least, I thought there might be more members here with a little fire in their stars.

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May as well close it for lack of interest. Thanks to all contributors.
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