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by libertarian99 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:17 am
Unknown wrote:
Now, here is another question I have...

There is an Indian Reservation close enough to me. Could anyone give me an estimate of what high quality tobacco, cigarette papers and filters would cost me on the reservation? I'm trying to figure out what it would cost to make a carton of cigarettes if the products are bought in bulk.

Another question... which brands would you guys consider the best quality of cigarette tobacco around?


Producing the cigarettes seems like the easy part. The hardest part I am facing right now is actually packaging them professionally.
Before you gas up your car for the drive, better make sure that Indian reservation is still allowed to sell tax-free ciggies to non-Native Americans. New York has been trying to close that loophole for a long time.

Here's a link to a recent article:

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2009/sep/16/smoke-shop-shocker-new-york-city-fighting-to-colle/business/

I would definitely call ahead to find out what the status is because New York will keep trying indefinitely to get that tax money.

Why not just move to another state after graduation? This stuff is happening everywhere, but it's not as advanced in some states as it is in New York. Graduating from college, you can move anywhere you want.
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by Unknown on Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:51 am
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Unknown wrote:

Well, it is certainly a risk. And I hate the idea of selling illegal drugs or scamming the government out of taxes in any way, and I would never sell illegal drugs, weaponry, etc. for moral reasons.


Then stop your questions and thoughts on a career in the blackmarket, if you don't have a anti-government stomach or a freedom mindset you are not cut out for any venture like this.

Now you are wondering what's the best place to buy tobacco near NYC?
Look it up on the net, it's not difficult - you're 21 - I assume you can get around on the net quite easily, the internet has been around since the day you were born

Either you are an Anti-Troll or a Journalist Phishing for a story.

These sophomoric questions are not ringing true.



Clearly you have quite a problem with me posting here. That's okay, I'm sue you have your reasons. I wasn't asking where the best place to buy tobacco was...I was asking what the best tobacco is.

I'm sorry, but I don't even know what an "Anti-Troll" even is. But yes, let's say I am a journalist fishing for a story.
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by Unknown on Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:58 am
libertarian99 wrote:
Before you gas up your car for the drive, better make sure that Indian reservation is still allowed to sell tax-free ciggies to non-Native Americans. New York has been trying to close that loophole for a long time.

Here's a link to a recent article:

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2009/sep/16/smoke-shop-shocker-new-york-city-fighting-to-colle/business/

I would definitely call ahead to find out what the status is because New York will keep trying indefinitely to get that tax money.

Why not just move to another state after graduation? This stuff is happening everywhere, but it's not as advanced in some states as it is in New York. Graduating from college, you can move anywhere you want.



I've read about this. Although I do know that there are still quite a few smoke shops that are on the Indian Reservation selling to non-Native Americans. I'm not thrilled with purchasing from the Indian Reservations though, as I have heard they have been busted quite a few times for selling counterfeit cigarettes.

I think purchasing the tobacco, papers, filters, etc. in a regular smoke shop off an Indian Reservation might be the best idea. I'm trying to calculate how much this would cost per carton though.
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by gilster on Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:33 pm
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I'm trying to calculate how much this would cost per carton though.


Wow, a 21 year old that doesn't know how to surf!


Will run @$50
(16 oz makes roughly 500 cigarettes) 2 1/2 cartons


Will run @$3.00 a carton

= $57.50 for 2 1/2 cartons worth(divided by 25 packs) = $2.30/pk



The gadget to make them will run @ $35
(Start up cost - one time investment - unless it breaks)

'The Best' tobacco is a misnomer, there is NO 'best' tobacco.
All tobacco is not the same and all smokers preference is not the same...

There....go write your story....
http://www.ryomagazine.com/
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by libertarian99 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:55 pm
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I'm sorry, but I don't even know what an "Anti-Troll" even is.
You'll have to learn a whole new lingo to understand insults like "anti troll." The long-time members are sizing you up to determine if you're friend or foe. There are people who come into this forum who don't have our best interests at heart.
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by Unknown on Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:22 pm
libertarian99 wrote:
Unknown wrote:
I'm sorry, but I don't even know what an "Anti-Troll" even is.
You'll have to learn a whole new lingo to understand insults like "anti troll." The long-time members are sizing you up to determine if you're friend or foe. There are people who come into this forum who don't have our best interests at heart.



Yikes. Well, I don't consider myself a foe of anyone on here. I can understand why some people wouldn't like me because of the thread I have made, especially since it sounds like it could involve illegal activity. But I am not trying to be anyone on here's foe. I think a smokers forum is really cool.

I appreciate all of the help.
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by datonamanmike on Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:54 am
e bay sells a shrink wrap you could wrap each pack then hit with a hot blow dryer
and it will look like a pro
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by Unknown on Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:41 am
datonamanmike wrote:
e bay sells a shrink wrap you could wrap each pack then hit with a hot blow dryer
and it will look like a pro



Very cool. So far the making the cigarettes and wrapping the packs seems quite simple and cheap. The only problem I have now is actually figuring out how to get packs for the cigarettes. I'm looking for an inexpensive way to get the cigarettes into packs, and then possibly cartons.

By the way, I appreciate everyone's help; even those who want me off of these boards.
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by gilster on Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:14 am
Unknown wrote:

By the way, I appreciate everyone's help; even those who want me off of these boards.


I am very suspect of what you are looking for here and your intentions with this information.

First you want to sell homemade cigarettes (or give them away)to make a profit
Then you don't want to harm the government of their taxation.
But, you want to keep knowing how to make manufactured-like cigarettes to sell.
Then you are leery of counterfeit-esque activities of American Indians doing exactly what you are seeking to do...

It doesn't add up...

SO I reiterate, selling cigarettes to others without the appropriate stamp, tax records, record keeping and revenue disbursement is illegal. Any product otherwise in the marketplace is counterfeit.

Making cigarettes for your own consumption is legal - for now.....

(I could give a ratz-azz if you get into the blackmarket - but I don't think that's what your intentions are here in this message thread - because if it was, you wouldn't be so ignorant to ask the question on a public message board - or would you?)
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by libertarian99 on Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:52 am
gilster wrote:
Unknown wrote:

By the way, I appreciate everyone's help; even those who want me off of these boards.


I am very suspect of what you are looking for here and your intentions with this information.

First you want to sell homemade cigarettes (or give them away)to make a profit
Then you don't want to harm the government of their taxation.
But, you want to keep knowing how to make manufactured-like cigarettes to sell.
Then you are leery of counterfeit-esque activities of American Indians doing exactly what you are seeking to do...

It doesn't add up...
I agree the waffling back and forth doesn't add up, but what do you think Unknown is up to specifically?
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