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by Unknown
on Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:43 am |
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Let's say one has rolled their own cigarettes. Now they want to give away or sell packs or cartons of those cigarettes to friends, etc. Is there any way of "packing" those cigarettes into packs and then cartons? Something cheaper than buying cigarettes cases?
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by gilster
on Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:22 pm |
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If you are MYO your cigarettes - just put them back in the tube box.(They will dry out quick though)...Maybe wrap in plastic. [I use a Humidor for mine]
If you are RYO, I don't know, baggies?
How nice of you to give away cigarettes to friends that are over 18 (or 19 in some states)
Selling cigarettes is illegal don't you know? |
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by libertarian99
on Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:14 pm |
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by Unknown
on Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:57 pm |
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gilster wrote: If you are MYO your cigarettes - just put them back in the tube box.(They will dry out quick though)...Maybe wrap in plastic. [I use a Humidor for mine]
If you are RYO, I don't know, baggies?
How nice of you to give away cigarettes to friends that are over 18 (or 19 in some states)
Selling cigarettes is illegal don't you know?
Well, I certainly have no intention on giving cigarettes to anyone under the age of 19. And I do know that selling cigarettes is illegal. However, I live in New York, and I think charging $10 for a pack of cigarettes is far more of a threat than someone selling their own cigarettes for a fraction of the cost.
I suppose I understand some of the points. However, until cigarettes are reasonably priced they are asking for a black market in tobacco. I don't make my own cigarettes or sell them. I am wondering if it would be profitable though, and if people would buy them (especially if they were of high quality and packaged professionally).
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by libertarian99
on Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:14 pm |
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Unknown wrote: I suppose I understand some of the points. However, until cigarettes are reasonably priced they are asking for a black market in tobacco. I don't make my own cigarettes or sell them. I am wondering if it would be profitable though, and if people would buy them (especially if they were of high quality and packaged professionally).
What do you guys think?
I don't blame you one bit for breaking the rules, and you can probably find a lot of like-minded people. I'm just saying, don't underestimate the government's ability to figure out what you're doing, track you down and send you a bill of some kind. Sometimes they don't even give an amount. They just find evidence that you've avoided paying tobacco taxes and they send you a vague notice, hoping you'll cough up some money out of fear.
There were some previous posts on this subject, I think in New Jersey. People got notices from the state saying they owed back taxes on Internet sales, but not giving a specific amount. |
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by Seano
on Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:36 am |
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One possible derivative or perhaps 'loophole' that I have considered over these last couple of years back home in hell has been the legality of selling a 'tobacco-recycling' service, sort of like a dry-cleaning service for legally purchased and yet unsmoked tobacco.
Not for the weak-of-stomach until I can explain the entire procedure, but some of my fellow old-timers here might remember the days when we were told that it was a good rule to always leave around the breadth of a little finger of tobacco to avoid the inhalation of burning plastic from the filter.
Take a packet of 20s of your choice, grab a clean ashtray and sit down in a comfortable chair in your house, switch on the tv and smoke the lot, gracefully extinguishing each finished cigarette into that ashtray.
What remains in that ashtray maybe somewhere between 2-4 smokes worth of clean tobacco, of the brand your body prefers. This is where it gets a little smelly IMHO for around 5 minutes, so it's best to perform the separation the next day before taking a shower.
With a pair of scissors, carefully snip the burnt tips off each butt from the ashtray, and with the fingers, roll the remainder into a clean bowl, disposing of the filter afterwards.
This is as far as I have ever needed to go when I'm only after the extra few ciggies hidden in a pack, but for respectable resale hygiene, that good virginia tobacco could be washed in clean water and dried to near-original flavour, as far as I guess, and viola! The 'service' of recycling your customer's own tobacco for them is ready to roll.
Of course, there's no law against giving away a free sample of your own MYO cleanskins with each purchase of the 'recycling' service that has nothing to do with 'selling' tobacco. |
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by gilster
on Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:57 am |
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Unknown wrote:
I suppose I understand some of the points. However, until cigarettes are reasonably priced they are asking for a black market in tobacco. I don't make my own cigarettes or sell them. I am wondering if it would be profitable though, and if people would buy them (especially if they were of high quality and packaged professionally).
What do you guys think?
No one here will give you a clean Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.
Selling cigarettes without the proper license, stamps and taxes paid is illegal.
I am wondering why you haven't already figured that out.
Are you dense asking this question - Or an Anti-Troll?
Of course it could be profitable to sell anything cheaper in the Blackmarket - that's why Blackmarkets exist. What a crazy question.....Illegal activity always has a profit margin, no matter what it is. Higher the risk - higher the profit margin.
Start out making your own beer and spirits for re-sale and see how it goes.
Get into the illegal Taxi service, cut out the middle man and make a profit.
Rip your own bootleg DVD's and sell them on the street.
Start an underground Bar or Restaurant.....etc.
Any venture that cuts out the middleman can make money....
Oh, by the way, it's illegal...it's something Tony Soprano might do if the series was still on....
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by libertarian99
on Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:56 am |
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gilster wrote: Of course it could be profitable to sell anything cheaper in the Blackmarket - that's why Blackmarkets exist. What a crazy question.....Illegal activity always has a profit margin, no matter what it is. Higher the risk - higher the profit margin.
Start out making your own beer and spirits for re-sale and see how it goes.
Get into the illegal Taxi service, cut out the middle man and make a profit.
Rip your own bootleg DVD's and sell them on the street.
Start an underground Bar or Restaurant.....etc.
Any venture that cuts out the middleman can make money....
Oh, by the way, it's illegal...it's something Tony Soprano might do if the series was still on....
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by Unknown
on Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:00 am |
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libertarian99 wrote: Unknown wrote: I suppose I understand some of the points. However, until cigarettes are reasonably priced they are asking for a black market in tobacco. I don't make my own cigarettes or sell them. I am wondering if it would be profitable though, and if people would buy them (especially if they were of high quality and packaged professionally).
What do you guys think? Sure, people would buy them, especially where you're living. But you would have to be very careful about who you trusted. Nothing would surprise me, as far as people tracking you down to collect the taxes they feel they are entitled to. Their primary goal in life seems to be trapping smokers and taxing them, leaving no way out as they empty our wallets of every penny.
I don't blame you one bit for breaking the rules, and you can probably find a lot of like-minded people. I'm just saying, don't underestimate the government's ability to figure out what you're doing, track you down and send you a bill of some kind. Sometimes they don't even give an amount. They just find evidence that you've avoided paying tobacco taxes and they send you a vague notice, hoping you'll cough up some money out of fear.
There were some previous posts on this subject, I think in New Jersey. People got notices from the state saying they owed back taxes on Internet sales, but not giving a specific amount.
Well, it is certainly a risk. And I hate the idea of selling illegal drugs or scamming the government out of taxes in any way, and I would never sell illegal drugs, weaponry, etc. for moral reasons. However, being a 21 year old college student about to graduate, living in an area where unemployment is below the national level, sometimes people succumb to their greed, and what they may even feel is their right by doing things they deem not so bad.
Living in a state where tobacco taxes are so high, and tobacco laws are so strict, I'm sure some people would justify their actions as a form of fair protest.
Now, here is another question I have...
There is an Indian Reservation close enough to me. Could anyone give me an estimate of what high quality tobacco, cigarette papers and filters would cost me on the reservation? I'm trying to figure out what it would cost to make a carton of cigarettes if the products are bought in bulk.
Another question... which brands would you guys consider the best quality of cigarette tobacco around?
Producing the cigarettes seems like the easy part. The hardest part I am facing right now is actually packaging them professionally. |
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by gilster
on Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:14 am |
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Unknown wrote:
Well, it is certainly a risk. And I hate the idea of selling illegal drugs or scamming the government out of taxes in any way, and I would never sell illegal drugs, weaponry, etc. for moral reasons.
Then stop your questions and thoughts on a career in the blackmarket, if you don't have a anti-government stomach or a freedom mindset you are not cut out for any venture like this.
Now you are wondering what's the best place to buy tobacco near NYC?
Look it up on the net, it's not difficult - you're 21 - I assume you can get around on the net quite easily, the internet has been around since the day you were born
Either you are an Anti-Troll or a Journalist Phishing for a story.
These sophomoric questions are not ringing true. |
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