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by smallbird
on Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:33 pm |
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| I don't know if any of you go to Speakeasyforum.com on a regular basis, but it is still in business. I miss the regular posters there also. I know we all have a limited amount of energy......Are there some issues with the site that I have missed? |
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by libertarian99
on Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:14 am |
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| Well, it could be the negative article about Speakeasy on the Smoking Lobby home page. That can't be helping their traffic. |
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by smallbird
on Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:27 pm |
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libertarian99 wrote: Well, it could be the negative article about Speakeasy on the Smoking Lobby home page. That can't be helping their traffic.
You know, I never read the home page (my bad) and I'm sure that article was posted by the prior owner of this site...Carlos will you please take that down? It is distortion in the first degree  |
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by libertarian99
on Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:33 pm |
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| I agree. |
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by infinitethoughts
on Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:22 pm |
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smallbird wrote:
You know, I never read the home page (my bad) and I'm sure that article was posted by the prior owner of this site...Carlos will you please take that down? It is distortion in the first degree
I disagree. He's saying it as it is, for the most part. There is no Unity between all the smoking groups, if there were we'd be more effective on a Global scale. But I guess thats just the nature of the beast.
I posted awhile back, (can't remember if it was on this group also) about GLOBALink -- Global Tobacco Control a very dangerous group as far as concerns the rights of smokers.
Pfizer, of course is listed as a "sponsor" on the first page.
Here's why. If any Health Dept Official from any country needs "pumped up Statistics" against smoking, they have the infrastructure to supply it to them via a Global newsletter and email lists. This Entity was created specifically to work at a Global level.
What's needed is all smoking groups to create one cohesive Entity, just like Anti-smokers have done. But I do agree it is complicated.
FORCES tried to do this, but other groups were worried that FORCES would gobble them up. There could be more to the story, tho. |
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by LLS761
on Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:15 pm |
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| I know I don't post too often nowadays, but is it fair to take down/off posts someone doesn't agree with? Isn't everyone entitled to give their opinion? |
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by CarlosAg
on Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:38 pm |
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| I would disagree with removing it because it adds value to my site, Smoking Lobby, because it shows that this was the first forum to ever talk about smoker's rights. It was one of the main reasons I was interested in this web property, because it's the original and dates back so many years. |
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by Jay
on Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:34 pm |
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I don't visit as often as I used to. Cuz for one thang, I got a lady friend in my life now. And yes, she smokes Newports herself.
But one thang I like about Smoking Lobby is there are actual posting rules on here now, or your post will get deleted. I believe in free speech as long as you stay within the forum guidelines. Why do you think there are millions of forums online devoted to millions of bleepin topics?
If someone wants to mention how my writing turns him/her off, my feelings won't be hurt at all. I still believe as long as I'm pro-smoking and a smokers rights supporter, it shouldn't matta if I sound like a "ghetto smoker" on here. I'm gonna be me all the time. |
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by libertarian99
on Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:48 pm |
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This is giving me flashbacks to my days as a technical writer, when I had to edit the text of mill workers for a training manual. In one chapter the mill workers were expressing their opinion about something they were very emotional about, and there were a lot of curse words which I thought reflected poorly on the writers.
I thought the curse words made the mill workers look bad so I deleted the worst ones. Much to my surprise, they got angry and accused me of watering down their message, as if I was siding with the enemy when I was just trying to make the mill workers look a little more classy by removing the vulgar words.
Whether anyone believes it or not, vulgar language makes the writer look bad. The words used are associated with the writer more than they are with the target of the writing, who people often sympathize with because they know they would be hurt if such words were aimed at them. |
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by smallbird
on Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:09 pm |
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libertarian99 wrote: LLS761 wrote: I know I don't post too often nowadays, but is it fair to take down/off posts someone doesn't agree with? Isn't everyone entitled to give their opinion? This wasn't just a post in the forum. It was an angry rant written by the previous owner explaining why he was selling the Web site and why the smokers' rights movement was doomed. There was some good information in it, but the overall tone was just so negative, I think it gave people a bad impression of the site.
The fact that it was written by the previous owner and was on the home page made it seem like an official statement setting the tone for the whole site.
A person can be sued for libel if they make statements on the Internet that damage another person's reputation and livelihood, if those statements are proven untrue. Many people don't realize the Internet does not give people blanket immunity from libel charges.
This is one of my favorite sites on the Web and I just want the best for it. Plus I think Smallbird is a nice person and I was trying to be supportive.
Well thank you very much libertarian! I think you're a nice person also. My thoughts on the home page article are, even though it has excellent points, the tone is extremely negative. I agree we need to show unity, but we need to use common sense in our approach to other pro-smoker sites. Carlos, of course, is the ultimate judge of what is posted on his home page. I will continue to support our cause.
BTW, I was also one of those people who supported helping Speakeasy get back online after their funding issue was revealed. I think it was a good investment, because Speakeasy also has a lot of historical information.
That probably makes me a traitor to Mr. Bill. |
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