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by libertarian99
on Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:22 pm |
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bob_kemp wrote: Hi --
Crackerjack, surely you've been reading my posts. I sell seeds. I mail them to you. You can grow tobacco in the house over winter but you'll either want some very strong lights or a very sunny South window. You will get huge leaves because of the lack of strong light. You will probably want to use Orthene (acephate) on it when it gets aphids (notice, I didn't say IF, it's WHEN, weaker plants WILL get them). They are beautiful houseplants and great to put around a swimming pool in containers in the Summer. Plus, they have a huge array of blooms.
I'm in a real predicament now because I started all my plants after the April tax increase, which means I've only got a few of them topped off. I've been spraying them with growth accelerator, but will probably move them inside when it gets a little colder. |
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by bob_kemp
on Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:50 pm |
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Hi --
libertarian99, Orthene is the trade name for the chemical acephate which is a systemic insecticide approved for tobacco crops up to 2 weeks prior to harvest (check that against the label).
I didn't use any on my crops. But every commercial cigarette you've ever smoked was made from crops treated with it since it kills sucking insects like aphids and leaf hoppers which spread other tobacco diseases and caterpillers like hornworms and cabbage loopers that can strip a whole crop down to stems in days.
If you try Safer Insecticide Soap, you might have better results than using ordinary laundry detergent against aphids. I certainly have had no luck myself. The best control I have found is ladybug larva which we have large quanities of naturally. It's mighty late in the season to get a good herd of them going.
At this point, the mechanical damage to the leaves from weekly spraying might offset the good which comes of knocking down the aphid population. Frankly, they aren't terribly damaging unless they are encrusting the leaf. A few won't be noticed much in the final quality of the leaf (and could add a distinctive flavor, Eau De Aphid? Sorry, I know how serious it seems, but I have to add a little levity).
When you harvest, be sure to wash each leaf to remove the aphid residue and dead aphid bodies. You will enjoy killing them, I know I did!
Incidently, I tend to get aphids on the seedlings in the greenhouse before I transplant them out. Also on my pepper plants, specifically. Next year, for the first time, I have decided to use Orthene while the plants are in the greenhouse and again once I've transplanted them out, then no more. I think the boost in initial growth they will get offsets any final residue of the chemicals in the plants months later when I harvest.
I did try to find out if Orthene was dangerous to beneficial insects like ladybug larva eating Orthene poisoned aphids and found one study that found no such harm to them.
I hope that helped. If you have weeks before harvest and a serious aphid infestation (you might google what levels are serious), you might consider using Orthene on them. At least it won't be worse than what you've been smoking in commercial cigs already.
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by libertarian99
on Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:03 pm |
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bob_kemp wrote: I hope that helped.
Bob
Why haven't you set up a Web site yet? You might be able to drive traffic to it by posting a comment with your Web link on every site that contains your clip. |
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by bob_kemp
on Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:11 pm |
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Hi --
libertarian99, I'm really just a little guy that grows plants and sells a few seeds on the side. I have a pretty good local business in garden transplants and houseplants. I'm active in tobacco forums and discussions because I'm pissed off at being treated unequally under the law and am old enough to remember mail order businesses so I'm comfortable sending my catalog to serious growers for mail order.
All that said, I ran a website for years, lol, and I'm a computer engineer, so well, I guess I'll have to put up a website sooner or later. Probably sooner if my tobacco seed sales keeps growing.
Drop me an e-mail and I'll send you a current catalog. I just received some new seeds in the mail, I hope it's the turkish and rustica....
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by JoshNJ
on Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:01 am |
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libertarian99 wrote: The last thing we need is a bunch of loonies latching onto this issue, which they will invariably do if they figure out they can keep their paychecks coming by going after home growers.
Growing your own crop for private or personal consumption is subject to taxation. Take a look at the decision in Gonzalez_v._Raich. The case is important to note if someone was concerned that the government could come after them for taxes later. I personally doubt they would waste resources and time launching an offensive on home growers during an economic downturn or because it is not on their radar. |
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by bob_kemp
on Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:21 am |
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Hi --
I'm aware of the Gonzalez v Raich case and it doesn't apply to either homegrown veggies or homegrown tobacco. First, there would have to be a federal law against growing tobacco at home, which there isn't. Second there would have to be an existing tax on tobacco not used in commerce, and one of those doesn't exist either. Finally, the founding casework from the 1930's regaring national quotas doesn't apply because there is no national quota on tobacco.
>>>> Hey Guys! Big News! <<<<<<
Last night my Fox News interview on growing your own tobacco at home was run nationally on the Julie Banderas show at 8PM and 11PM Eastern time! It was the exact same interview they filmed here and I posted above.
I told the Tobacco Taxman UP YOURS! on national TV!
I'm still looking for the online video of the Banderas show with her introduction if y'all find it, post it here please.
Thanks!
Bob
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by JoshNJ
on Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:27 am |
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bob_kemp wrote: Hi --
I'm aware of the Gonzalez v Raich case and it doesn't apply to either homegrown veggies or homegrown tobacco. First, there would have to be a federal law against growing tobacco at home, which there isn't. Second there would have to be an existing tax on tobacco not used in commerce, and one of those doesn't exist either. Finally, the founding casework from the 1930's regaring national quotas doesn't apply because there is no national quota on tobacco.
This is all pure speculation since it cannot affect any activity going on now with homegrowers. I do not believe there would need to be a federal law against growing tobacco at home, but just a law regulating the use of tobacco. The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act brings that closer to reality (again, it still would not affect current homegrowing). The case I mentioned discusses the CSA as it applies to marijuana because they wanted to stop homegrowers from using the product altogether, and not just tax it. Here, the government could step in and tax homegrown tobacco as long as it is a regulated class of activity. How they would accomplish that would be a bigger mystery of course.
Next, there would not need to be an existing tax on locally used tobacco since this case clearly states "Congress can regulate purely intrastate activity that is not itself "commercial," i.e., not produced for sale, if it concludes that failure to regulate that class of activity would undercut the regulation of the interstate market in that commodity." So that means citizens who never sell tobacco but use it for personal consumption *could* become subject to controlled regulation.
As for national quotas, I don't know anything about that and how that would work. Personally, I think this would be impossible to regulate. But, they continue to surprise me with all the new legislation. |
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by libertarian99
on Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:12 pm |
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JoshNJ wrote: Next, there would not need to be an existing tax on locally used tobacco since this case clearly states "Congress can regulate purely intrastate activity that is not itself "commercial," i.e., not produced for sale, if it concludes that failure to regulate that class of activity would undercut the regulation of the interstate market in that commodity." So that means citizens who never sell tobacco but use it for personal consumption *could* become subject to controlled regulation.
The one exception I can think of is property taxes, but in that case there is an official assessment value on the property which remains relatively stable over time.
There is no way to assess a tax on anything people grow in their own garden for their own consumption without incurring more costs than its worth. No one in their right mind would cooperate with such a tax, so in order to collect anything at all, they would have to locate each individual garden and prove how many plants were grown, what the yield was, etc.
There won't be that many people who have the time, energy and patience to actually follow through with the home growing on a long-term basis, so if the government actually took this asinine step, it would be like searching for a needle in a haystack trying to find anyone to tax. |
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by bob_kemp
on Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:54 pm |
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Hi --
The important thing in those court cases is that the product being controlled was illegal by federal law.
There are 71 million American tobacco users. 28% of the population. They cannot just outlaw such a thing without serious consequences at the polls.
Without making tobacco illegal, it is impossible to garner the law enforcement to stop it. Look how miserable a failure they've had with pot. Anyone have a hard time buying pot? Hell, I live far out in the country and it's easier for me to buy pot than to get to a store 15 miles away and buy milk!
All that said, we should still protest and refuse to pay punitive tobacco taxation when the "weed" is so easy to grow for yourself.
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by libertarian99
on Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:12 pm |
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bob_kemp wrote: Look how miserable a failure they've had with pot. Anyone have a hard time buying pot? Hell, I live far out in the country and it's easier for me to buy pot than to get to a store 15 miles away and buy milk!
All that said, we should still protest and refuse to pay punitive tobacco taxation when the "weed" is so easy to grow for yourself.
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