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by jean bodenstedt
on Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:39 pm |
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| Have you heard that Iowa, as of Oct. 1st, will ban foster parents from smoking in their own homes, if a child is in the house? I have enough sense not to smoke in the presence of the kids . . . but this means NOWHERE IN MY HOME, EVEN IN THE DEAD OF WINTER, IF THE KIDS ARE HOME . . . NOT EVEN IN THE UNFINISHED BASEMENT. Care to comment? |
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by gilster
on Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:07 am |
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http://www.ifapa.org/pdf_docs/NewDHSRules.pdf
And so it begins.......
The logic is they are only telling you not to smoke when the kids are present, most people will go along with that......next year they will most likely ban smokers from Fostering children period....
It's like the Airplane bans that started it all - they were only asking for you not to smoke on a plane - that's it - you can understand it, right - now look at the bans all over the place...
Frog - meet Pot
Quote: I have enough sense not to smoke in the presence of the kids . . .
See there?....you have already been conditioned and trained to believe that smoking cigarettes in the vicinity of others is a grave sin...this is how laws and regulations like this get passed.
Do you also make sure not to BBQ and operate a wood stove or fireplace in the presence of children? Do you curtail your candle use when children are near?
Smoke is Smoke....
(I'm not busting you, just showing how this stuff works)
There are organizations that are trying to rid neighborhoods and towns of fireplaces - and they are gaining steam with regulations.
It has nothing to do with cigarettes.
It's all about controlling one sector of society over another.
It's Power.
It's Green.
It's for your own good.
It's the Nanny State. |
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by runamok
on Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:13 am |
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jean bodenstedt wrote: I have enough sense not to smoke in the presence of the kids . . .
I'll put it more bluntly.
There is no proof whatsoever that SHS harms anyone in any way. You are part of the problem. |
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by crackerjack
on Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:26 pm |
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runamok wrote: jean bodenstedt wrote: I have enough sense not to smoke in the presence of the kids . . .
I'll put it more bluntly.
There is no proof whatsoever that SHS harms anyone in any way. You are part of the problem.
I disagree with that and I don't need a study to prove logic. cigarette smoke contains harmful chemicals and Tar so any exhaled smoke will contain harmful chemicals and Tar.
Really guys, when you consider yourselves smokers rights activists and you make silly arguments such as this it weakens our position and that is not part of the problem it is the problem.
Nobody is allowed to smoke anywhere near my kids. I don't smoke in my house at all. I smoke outside on a porch so as not to get the SHS anywhere near my kids. It's not mental conditioning it's just good old fashioned logic.
Sure you might say air is already dirty, but that does not mean you should make it more so by adding nicotine heavy cigarette smoke to it.
many smokers argue that their parents smoked around them when they grew up and that it did no harm to them, but I always counter that argument by pointing out that they are now smokers so who is to say that the SHS did not make them the nicotine addicts that they are today?
Naturally you are more than welcome to post any studies countering my logic. |
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by gilster
on Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:24 pm |
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crackerjack wrote:
Nobody is allowed to smoke anywhere near my kids.
Do you allow them near the BBQ when you are cooking up steaks?
Do you go camping with them and not allow them to sit by the fire?
Do you enjoy candle light only after they are safe in bed behind closed doors?
Smoke is Smoke
http://burningissues.org/car-www/index.html
Quote: Burning solid fuel yields particulate pollution - solid particles smaller than a red blood cell which have been implicated in 30,000 deaths in the US and 2.1 million deaths world wide per year. . "Particulate pollution is the most important contaminant in our air. ...we know that when particle levels go up, people die1. " Indeed, wood smoke is chemically active in the body 40 times longer than tobacco2.
1. Joel Schwartz, Ph.D., Harvard School of Public Health, E Magazine, Sept./Oct. 2002
2. Wm. A Pryor, Persistent Free Radicals in Woodsmoke: An ESR Spin Trapping Study, Free Radical Biology and Medicine 1989, 7(1): 17-21
There are people trying to eradicate the whole earth from smoke.
It's not going to stop at silly cigarettes, but by demeaning cigarette smokers it is allowing the uber-fringe to infiltrate all aspect of our lives.
I like my marshmallows flaming toasted - creating gooey sweet tar.
Smoke is Smoke
This isn't just about smoking cigarettes.
Never was..... |
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by garhkal
on Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:20 pm |
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crackerjack wrote:
Sure you might say air is already dirty, but that does not mean you should make it more so by adding nicotine heavy cigarette smoke to it.
many smokers argue that their parents smoked around them when they grew up and that it did no harm to them, but I always counter that argument by pointing out that they are now smokers so who is to say that the SHS did not make them the nicotine addicts that they are today?
Naturally you are more than welcome to post any studies countering my logic.
Sorry sis.. but i know many kids who don't smoke now but were exposed to many smokers when they are growing up. ANd visa versa... so that is no link. |
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by runamok
on Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:15 pm |
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crackerjack wrote: I disagree with that and I don't need a study to prove logic. cigarette smoke contains harmful chemicals and Tar so any exhaled smoke will contain harmful chemicals and Tar.
Most of those same chemicals were in the supper you served up last night in larger doses than in SHS...but still harmless.
The dose makes the poison. Everything you touch, eat, drink, and breathe contains thousands of chemicals, most of which occur naturally, but are not "toxins" because they are not concentrated enough to hurt you at all. Some of them are necessary for life but if ingested in high doses can harm or even kill you. Drink massive amounts of water and you will die, yet life is impossible without it.
The doses of any chemicals received from breathing SHS are so miniscule as to be negligible.
Here's some light reading for you: http://www.davehitt.com/facts/
In the meantime, please don't do any "advocating" for smoker's rights. Anti is doing just fine without your help. |
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by runamok
on Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:26 pm |
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One more thing crackerjack.
Read the whole thing at http://www.davehitt.com/facts/ and if you have a dispute with any of his facts, please bring some data with you before you start spouting about logic.
If you simply choose not to read it or want to keep your head in the sand concerning what is laid out there in layman's language, then please just stay away from here. |
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by smallbird
on Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:17 pm |
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garhkal wrote: crackerjack wrote:
Sure you might say air is already dirty, but that does not mean you should make it more so by adding nicotine heavy cigarette smoke to it.
many smokers argue that their parents smoked around them when they grew up and that it did no harm to them, but I always counter that argument by pointing out that they are now smokers so who is to say that the SHS did not make them the nicotine addicts that they are today?
Naturally you are more than welcome to post any studies countering my logic.
Sorry sis.. but i know many kids who don't smoke now but were exposed to many smokers when they are growing up. ANd visa versa... so that is no link.
Me too! |
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by JohnC
on Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:11 am |
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crackerjack wrote:
"Nobody is allowed to smoke anywhere near my kids. I don't smoke in my house at all. I smoke outside on a porch so as not to get the SHS anywhere near my kids. It's not mental conditioning it's just good old fashioned logic. "
I see that the "Sheeple Learning Center" has worked for you
Sounds like you should quit and move on to another forum.
Your "LOGIC" is scewd
-J.C.-
I've smoked in my home for 55+years
NO Guilt,
No Excuse,
No Apology. |
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