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by crackerjack
on Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:43 am |
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Okay so we all know that tobacco taxes raise lots of money for states and the Feds.
I need to know a few things.
when does the state collect the tobacco taxes from vendors?
I think It due monthly before the 10th of the following month but I'm not sure.
When does the Feds collect the federal taxes collected on tobacco from the states or do they collect it from the vendors too?
I need to know this because I have a plan to call smokers to action to protest the taxes.
by protest I mean go on strike.
No don't be shocked I don't mean stop smoking I mean we arrange to stock up on tobacco products (preferably those that raise the least taxes) and then we pick a month in the new fiscal year to call a strike on buying tobacco products for one month.
because the budgets will have been set in one year and we strike in the next if we pull together we can really hurt the states and feds and bring to light just how much money they actually get from us.
Some media attention would not hurt and we could use this time to educate smokers on just how valuable they are to their country.
we could educate on growing tobacco stuffing and rolling your own smokes too.
maybe we need a website where people can get info and start spreading the word about a strike or even a possible strike to see who will bite and what reactions we get.
just an idea folks don't panic but if we deprive them of one months tobacco taxes it will put a major wrench in the works.
Try to keep the discussion on the possibility of pulling something like this off and any relevant information that might help. |
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by runamok
on Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:16 pm |
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I don't know how often or on what dates, but the states collect their excise tax from local wholesalers, the Feds collect their excise tax directly from the manufacturers, and the states get their MSA payments directly from the manufacturers.
What you are proposing is nothing new. That scheme has been discussed here and in other forums at various times over the last few years. Good luck.
crackerjack wrote: ...stock up on tobacco products (preferably those that raise the least taxes)
All cigarettes bought through legal channels are taxed the same by the states and the feds. |
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by crackerjack
on Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:34 pm |
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runamok wrote: I don't know how often or on what dates, but the states collect their excise tax from local wholesalers, the Feds collect their excise tax directly from the manufacturers, and the states get their MSA payments directly from the manufacturers.
What you are proposing is nothing new. That scheme has been discussed here and in other forums at various times over the last few years. Good luck.
crackerjack wrote: ...stock up on tobacco products (preferably those that raise the least taxes)
All cigarettes bought through legal channels are taxed the same by the states and the feds.
well I'll believe that it was discussed before I'm not bring anything new to the party with this or any of my ideas as I have just gotten into the fight now.
you do have to recognize this.
The last few years has nothing on this year. This year the tax jumped to a new height and people are far more pissed than in the last few years. In my experience cigarettes have been affordable up and until the April 1 increase and the states increases that followed. |
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by violetfae
on Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:57 pm |
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Quote: The last few years has nothing on this year. This year the tax jumped to a new height and people are far more pissed than in the last few years. In my experience cigarettes have been affordable up and until the April 1 increase and the states increases that followed.
I, for one, am more pissed than ever. I have always gotten my cigs for $3 or less a pack, courtesy of buy-one-get-one-free promotions, mostly Camel No.9 and Marlboro 27s and Virginia Blend. In April I when I couldn't find buy-one-get-ones the store clerks told me that the tobacco companies can't or won't do that anymore because of the new tax law. People told me that the tax on loose tobacco never goes up and I went to buy loose tobacco, and the can had gone from around $11 to close to $30! grrrr. |
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by libertarian99
on Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:07 pm |
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violetfae wrote: Quote: The last few years has nothing on this year. This year the tax jumped to a new height and people are far more pissed than in the last few years. In my experience cigarettes have been affordable up and until the April 1 increase and the states increases that followed.
I, for one, am more pissed than ever.
The audacity of WHO galls me to no end. Our government is letting them call the shots, so our lives are being controlled to a great extent by people we did not elect and who don't even reside here. Maybe their tactics are acceptable in communist countries, but our government never should have gone along with it.
I wish the WHO people would come over to my house and spend a month here watching my mother get worse and worse. As far as I'm concerned, all their attempts to make me quit smoking are attempts to make me end up like her. They actually believe they have the right to decide what my optimum lifespan should be, regardless of my individual circumstances or how I feel about the unwanted decade of suffering.
I can't even begin to express in words how angry that makes me. |
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by violetfae
on Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:12 pm |
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| If you don't want to be an alzheimer's patient, Libertarian, you had best continue smoking. I like to tell people they're going to get alzheimer's because they don't use tobacco. It's true, as far as studies suggest. |
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by libertarian99
on Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:44 pm |
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violetfae wrote: If you don't want to be an alzheimer's patient, Libertarian, you had best continue smoking. I like to tell people they're going to get alzheimer's because they don't use tobacco. It's true, as far as studies suggest.
Everything is worded to suggest permanence where permanence doesn't exist. For example, the term preventable death should really be postponable death. The phrase saves lives should really be temporarily saves lives.
The antismoking campaign has been aimed at reducing deaths from the top three killers: heart disease, cancer and stroke. If they succeed at that, then everyone who didn't die of heart disease, cancer, or a stroke is a candidate for Alzheimer's. That's why the incidence of it is exploding.
I understand these people want to feel their lives have a purpose. Their intentions are good. Back when they were focusing on childhood mortality and contagious plagues, they were doing a lot of good. But once people are past their reproductive years and their children are raised, what's the difference? People have done their part, and they don't owe it to anyone to stick around until their very last brain cell disintegrates.
If the worst happens and they ban tobacco and I end up getting Alzheimer's at age 90 thanks to them saving my life against my will, I plan to sit on the front steps of WHO and wage a hunger strike -- that is, if I can remember what my plan was... |
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by crackerjack
on Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:29 am |
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I could be wrong but I believe that a democracy entitles you to equal representation so if the government is funding one group with a opinion it should equally fund groups with opposite opinions.
Our government has forsaken us. as Smokers we have no voice but they will take our money. What we need is to bring this to light with a good old fashioned Tea Party style Screw-You to the tax man. |
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by JohnC
on Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:48 am |
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[quote="crackerjack"]I could be wrong but I believe that a democracy entitles you to equal representation so if the government is funding one group with a opinion it should equally fund groups with opposite opinions.
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A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on "WHAT'S FOR SUPPER"
We are meant to be a Republic .
The way people in DC are doing ---------- we are neither 
-J.C.- |
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