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by hawksworth9
on Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:17 am |
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Quote: I'm so fed up with people making their first post here without reading anything. This has been covered numerous times so I'm not gonna say it again.
Well excuse the hell out of me for joining in on your uber elite discussion.
I'm fed up with the lack of courtesy all message boards seem to be smothered within.
I'll tell you what. I'll leave, and you can go fuck yourself. |
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by person
on Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:08 am |
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Quote: Well excuse the hell out of me for joining in on your uber elite discussion.
I'm fed up with the lack of courtesy all message boards seem to be smothered within.
I'll tell you what. I'll leave, and you can go fuck yourself.
Maybe all message boards are not courteous to you because you come in after the discussion and ask questions that have already been covered. So I'll happily fuck myself if you leave.
Or of course you coud RTFT. |
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by gilster
on Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:10 pm |
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person, calm down, that was a rude remark given to the newbie poster.
Everyone comes into message boards asking questions that were already asked - that is what message boards are all about.
Hell, your first questions were how to smoke a freaking cigarette correctly - jeepers - you should have learned that with your friends or surfed facebook or whatever you young-ens use nowadays.
I still want to know how old you are....In certain states, if you are not 19 you shouldn't even be posting on this board - cigarettes are illegal.
So calm the *F* down.
Oh, and by the way - did you get the patent number from American Spirits/RJR Reynolds on their FSC paper? Because only then is the matter settled for the inquisitive.
(American Spirits tobacco smoker - not pre-made cigarette smoker) |
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by person
on Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:42 pm |
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| Yeah you're right, I'm sorry. I'm a douche. |
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by gilster
on Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:45 pm |
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Thank You -Carry On -  |
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by find4more
on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:09 pm |
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This is an example of how, if you can't make your case scientifically, just worsen what's in a cigarette so that you can prove that smoking kills.
I've been using alternative products that mimic smoking (smokeless cigarettes) long enough to know that quite a few of the anti-smokers just simply object to smokers enjoying smoking. In other words, it's okay if you use a patch or gum because you won't ENJOY it at all; but if you find an alternative that won't kill anyone, including yourself, and you look like you're ENJOYING that, then they HATE it. So I think we need to get it out of our heads that we can battle this as a health issue. They WANT us dead. "See, we told you so. Smoking kills."
Instead, smokers need to band together and attack something comparable that everyone thinks is normal and takes for granted. My choice for an issue would be "Living in dangerous places." I just finished reading about the additional taxes Louisiana is proposing to put on tobacco products, and this made me laugh! Isnt't living in New Orleans comparable (OR WORSE) to being a smoker? What sensible person would live on a coastline that is BELOW sea level? The social costs of smoking are PALTRY compared to the social costs of trying to make a swamp habitable. How many people died in Katrina? On a per capita basis, a MUCH higher percentage than they claim are dying from smoking....
And what about everyone's insurance rates? When all those insurance claims were put through, it raised the rates of homeowners everywhere. It overtaxed FEMA. They had to call in the National Guard to save all those stupid people who didn't know any better than to live on a coastline below sea level. We need to protect these people from themselves.
And for what reason do they live in such a stupid way??? Because some people are just sentimentally attached to living in a dangerous place! Well, precisely! One might even say these poor benighted people are addicted to living in New Orleans. ( And let's not forget about all the stupid people living on the San Andreas fault line.)
Don't you think the 20% of the total population of us who are smokers could make a much bigger impact over the social costs of supporting the insanity of people who live in New Orleans and the left coast, than we could EVER impact others in rescinding all the stupid things they're inflicting on the "stupid" smokers?
I'm sick to death of defending. It's time to go on the offensive. |
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by activist0000
on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:59 pm |
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find4more wrote: Instead, smokers need to band together and attack something comparable that everyone thinks is normal and takes for granted. My choice for an issue would be "Living in dangerous places."
For example, it wouldn't be that hard to install speed sensors on all cars that stop at the precise moment of impact. We could just have a set-up where the government reviews the speed-on-impact information, and anyone going over the speed limit is SOL, as far as getting any help with their medical bills.
It would be fun to go on the offensive for a change, instead of hiding in the closet and expecting the situation to change. At least we could have a little fun watching other people squirm as they try to explain their justification for engaging in obviously stupid behavior that led to an accident. |
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by Cantiloper
on Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:35 am |
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OK, I don't have the excuse of being a newbie, but I'm juggling about 20 balls here so if this has been posted already I apologise... :)
Here's a 2005 study on FSCs:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/academics/public-health-practice/files/Fire_Safer_Cigarettes.pdf
and it was pointed out to me by a friend that out of the 43 pages of the study the concern about health effects takes up little more than a mention and a footnote or two.
If Fire Safe Cigarettes had been found to make smoking more enjoyable they would have never seen the light of day.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains" |
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by person
on Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:25 pm |
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Cantiloper wrote: OK, I don't have the excuse of being a newbie, but I'm juggling about 20 balls here so if this has been posted already I apologise... 
Here's a 2005 study on FSCs:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/academics/public-health-practice/files/Fire_Safer_Cigarettes.pdf
and it was pointed out to me by a friend that out of the 43 pages of the study the concern about health effects takes up little more than a mention and a footnote or two.
If Fire Safe Cigarettes had been found to make smoking more enjoyable they would have never seen the light of day.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"
No, that has not already been posted, thank you for it! |
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by Slearwig
on Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:31 am |
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003 wrote: One of the properties of EVA is that it melts (turns liquid) before it burns. And I have been noticing that while FSC cigarettes are burning, a few millimeters back from where the ash is on the end of the cigarette, there are what appear to be liquid stains on the rolling paper. Is this the EVA that is being used? I've taken two pictures that clearly portray what I am describing. Here they are:
I think the wet spots are from ammonium additives (Ammonium Carbonate, Ammonium Hydroxide, or Ammonium Chloride) being added to the tobacco. I got the clue from the ingredients listings at Altria. It states that Ammonium is used both to reprocess leaf tobacco into "sheet tobacco" (because the ammonium is caustic and melts the tobacco and stems into pulp just like paper from wood) and to add "a toasty flavor" to the tobacco.
When you toast bread that contains Ammonium as "a yeast nutrient" and then lay the hot toast on a plate and allow it to cool, ever notice the "moisture" that forms on the plate? If the moisture is only water, then why doesn't the toast reabsorb it? Why doesn't the moisture from a hot slice of toast evaporate into the air just like steam/pure water would? Unless it isn't water vapor.
I disagree with Altria. Ammonium additives dry the sweetness of the tobacco and if they are too high, they give the cig the flavor of burning rubber tennis shoes. |
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