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by Darkseid
on Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:43 am |
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Most of you probably know already about the James Bond movies-the director refuses to show smokers ANYWHERE in the films-even the bad guys. This means you're going to see two hours of maiming and torture, but an unreal world where there is no tobacco use. Bond died with Brosnan, anyway, IMO-the blond guy sucks.
NEW IN TOWN was a familiar, cliched tale of a cynical, bitchy female executive sent to the frozen north of Minnesota (I think-may have been Wisconsin-it was cold)in order to trim and automate a food processing plant the company owns, and is hated instantly, but of course learns to love the townspeople and reforms. NOT ONE PERSON is shown using tobacco in any form-including the bar or bowling alley....but, boy, does that beer and hooch flow throughout the movie (brand names shown).
Worst defiler of all-THE X-FILES )I Want To Believe). No relation at all to the TV series (thank God), this one shows the sheer butchery of kidnapping people and harvesting their organs after drugging them up with animal tranquilizers,then chopping up the bodies-great family fare, and dwelled on graphically. However, there is ONE smoker in the entire movie. A psychic ex-priest who is trying to help the FBI solve the serial killings. And guess what happens to him in the end of the movie? Any takers? That's right, he dies of lung cancer. OH! I almost forgot.....he's also a child molester. |
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by Pete Gatti
on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:56 am |
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Darkseid wrote:
Worst defiler of all-THE X-FILES )I Want To Believe). No relation at all to the TV series (thank God),
The TV series was outright anti-smoker with the bad guy they called "the smoker" who dies of lung cancer in the end. But before he dies, there's a scene of him talking to Scully and Molder though a hole in his throat. In another episode Molder calls him a smoking son of a bitch.
I stop watching after that and I'll be damned if I pay good money to see that movie or any other movie tainted with anti-smoker propaganda. There's enough of that crap being slung around for free. |
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by garhkal
on Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:16 pm |
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| While i can understand your frustrations, i actually liked the second Xfiles film. |
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by libertarian99
on Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:33 pm |
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I was watching "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead" last night. In one scene, a major villain (Turner, played by Ken Stott) is sitting in the back seat of his car. He has just picked up an assassin who he plans to recruit to prevent Will Graham (played by Clive Owen) from learning the truth about his brother's death.
When the bad-ass hit man gets in the front seat, he starts to light a cigarette, but Turner asserts dominance by telling him he cannot smoke in his (Turner's) car. The hit man obediently puts out his cigarette.
In this case, smoking is used to show who has power and control over the other. The non-smoker shows he is in charge, and of course the smoker instantly rolls over in submission. You would think a bad-ass hit man would have more balls. |
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by Slearwig
on Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:31 pm |
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Not having seen it myself, from your description it sounds like a joke implying that, in living a lifestyle of murder, smoking is still considered more dangerous. The inverse take would be something like, "What the Hell? We're gonna die here and now anyhow", except if that was the joke, the hit man would go ahead and light up.
Because he doesn't smoke the cigarette, the first interpretation stands. It's an anti-statement. EDIT: Was it a critical moment in the plot to establish Turner as the actual source of Will Graham's troubles and not the hit man? Like the hit man was only the hired help?
My version would have Turner object to smoking. The hitman responds by putting a gun to Turner's head with an accusatory stare for several seconds, breaking into a laugh, relaxes, and then lights up. |
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by garhkal
on Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:15 pm |
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My version would have had the hitman say
"Look, it may be your car, but it is going to be my skills and weapons which will take care of your issue for ya. If you want a second rate person who won't smoke, go ahead and call one, otherwise shut the hell up". |
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by Smoker Sympathizer
on Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:41 pm |
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No one can forget Martin Riggs in the "Lethal Weapon" movies and his reaction to anti-smoking sentiments. He tosses no smoking sign back at the person and says "I don't give a fu--".
I long for the days when he was free to do that. I honestly think one of the most patriotic things a person can do is mind his/her own business and stop trying to control everyone else. |
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by dumpstermcnuggets
on Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:44 am |
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Great thread, Dark. I agree too many movies too easily take the easy way out and not portray smoking at all, versus when movies would definitely portray smoking years ago!
This is a good site to find out which movies have smoking scenes in them, and which don't. And of course, mentions movies that have a very anti-smoking tone(and helps me out in avoiding choosing such movies to rent):
http://scenesmoking.org/ |
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by libertarian99
on Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:04 am |
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dumpstermcnuggets wrote: This is a good site to find out which movies have smoking scenes in them, and which don't. And of course, mentions movies that have a very anti-smoking tone(and helps me out in avoiding choosing such movies to rent):
http://scenesmoking.org/
How do they calculate the figures about the number of people who start smoking due to seeing actors smoke in the movies? To me, there isn't enough smoking left among main characters to influence anyone, especially when all the smokers are villains.
Human behavior is so complex that it's not really possible to single out one factor and accurately say how many people would or would not have engaged in a particular behavior, if not for that single factor. The antis are getting sloppier by the day, as far as making up numbers and expecting everyone to just swallow them. |
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by gilster
on Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:53 pm |
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The 'Bestest' thing about that site is there's a counter at the bottom of the site that clicks off how many kids are now addicted since you are viewing their site.
Sometimes I'll leave the site up for hours - what a hoot - stupid antis - what a lame concept  |
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