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by Smoker Sympathizer
on Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:24 am |
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Hi All,
I'm just curious about something. Now that the establishment has pretty much gutted smoking and has begun sticking its nose into alcohol and food, do you see any hope for alliances with other groups that either have been targeted or are very close to being so? Is common ground possible to protect the freedoms of all. Are there enough of us left who believe in freedom (regardless of our tobacco status)? I almost feel bad for the bans are great if you're banning something I dislike crowd. They're in for a very rude awakening as the cancer of the anti's agenda spreads. |
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by gilster
on Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:36 am |
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I've found recently, with the onset of the 'tea party' movement, that people in those circles are very tolerant of smokers rights. They understand the property rights issue.
Man Made Global Warming laws is another hot button and opens up a lot of discussions that gravitate to smokers rights. I don't believe in Anthropogenic Global Warming, I've read enough research (tons) on both sides of the issue to see the scam in the details and missing details in the scam.
People who get a wake-up call in shoddy science or legislation start to question and research all legislation and science.
For me, it was the missing studies and skewed reports of studies that opened my eyes to the harm of Tobacco Control. The Surgeon General's 2006 SHS report [even when they omitted studies that showed no harm] does not hold water to the SG's statement to the world about 'SHS no safe level', etc.
I've read the SG's 2006 study, I've argued with health officials in public meetings about it. They have not read it, can't back it up, can't justify it - but they have the authority to ban smoking because of it - and do.
If you have the facts of any study or legislation to discuss your view of the documents, you will get shut down by the establishment. I'm seeing many people in mass starting to fight the establishment on all things: Smoking bans, SHS studies, Global Warming, Nationalized Healthcare, Stimulus bill....Read a bills.....They are full of bunk [the urgent needs and the intended results] |
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by gilster
on Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:40 am |
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| Weird Post Glitch - delete- |
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by gilster
on Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:42 am |
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Twice even.....  |
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by Smoker Sympathizer
on Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:09 am |
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Great points all around. I'm always suspicious of profit driven agendas. No group/agency, especially a government one, is ever going to admit that the problem they were hired to fix has been fixed or was found not to have existed at all. They're going to either say progress has been made, but there's still a lot to be done, or things are worse than ever. That's why, unfortunately, I think the default setting of government is tyranny and freedom must be won and constantly maintained. People like to say they're individuals but most are sheep. When you think about a lie only needs to be told once and just repeated until everyone can quote but no one can tell you exactly where it came from.
I heard a great quote "We don't see things as they are; we see things as we are." We give people with degrees and supposed expertise our trust but fail to recognize how easily "facts" can be manipulated depending on how one filters the evidence. |
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by Smoker Sympathizer
on Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:19 pm |
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gilster wrote:
If you have the facts of any study or legislation to discuss your view of the documents, you will get shut down by the establishment. I'm seeing many people in mass starting to fight the establishment on all things: Smoking bans, SHS studies, Global Warming, Nationalized Healthcare, Stimulus bill....Read a bills.....They are full of bunk [the urgent needs and the intended results]
Wasn't anti-smoking anti-establishment once, maybe 30 or 40 years ago? Now it's the status quo. It would be interesting to study how this movement rose to such prominence. It's always interesting to watch how the anti-establishment becomes the establishment. |
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by gilster
on Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:26 am |
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http://velvetgloveironfist.com/
Poke around Chris Snowdon's Book - Velvet Glove, Iron Fist.
Loads of historical references.
Chapters 3 and 10 are free and full to read on the site. |
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by jsidney
on Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:02 am |
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Smoker Sympathizer wrote "It would be interesting to study how this movement rose to such prominence."
I second the suggestion that you poke around at the "Velvet Glove, Iron Fist" website. In addition to sample chapters from the book, the website has some interesting articles by Snowden.
The SpikedOnLine reviewer of "Velvet Glove, Iron Fist" writes: "I'm sitting in the corner of a bar, talking to author Christopher Snowdon ... One of the main reasons he wrote it, he tells me, is because 'I wanted to read it. I went into the library looking for a history of the anti-smoking movement, assuming there would be one, and there wasn't." Instead, he had to wade through many other books on the history of tobacco, picking out snippets here and there and trying to build up a picture ..."
Today we tobacco smokers are reviled outcasts of society, banned by government not only from workplaces, restaurants and bars, but also from parks, city sidewalks and streets, and increasingly in California from our own private livingrooms. How on earth did this happen to us?
Snowden tells us, in an orderly chapter by chapter progression in "Velvet Glove, Iron Fist", just how we got from there to here. |
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by Smoker Sympathizer
on Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:01 am |
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| Sooner or later the victims of the lifestyle nazi's will unite. It's inevitable. It's just a question of how long this oppression will last and how difficult recovery will be. |
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