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by libertarian99
on Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:43 am |
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Pete Gatti wrote: garhkal wrote: And even then, i feel the power has swung so far in their side, that even if we all say enough is enough, it won't matter.
I haven't reached that point yet. Thus far the power comes from a majority who believe the lies and propaganda.
Case in point: I was listening to my sister complain about a group of young people (not minors, just young people) who regularly congregate in front of her neighbor's house across the cul de sac to smoke. I could hear the disdain in her voice as she talked about how they "stand around over there smoking cigarettes all day."
I can't imagine why anyone would be bothered by seeing a group of people who are socializing and mean no harm to anyone, have no sinister intentions and are not going to bother my sister, as long as she doesn't bother them. I can't imagine caring one way or the other what my neighbors across the street are doing, as long as their behavior doesn't threaten me in any way.
The only thing I can think of is that she is worried about her grandchildren seeing people smoking. Most likely, these kids have been so thoroughly brainwashed in school that she has no reason to worry about them taking up the habit, but still she has a strong reaction to these kids even seeing people smoking.
This is a good example of someone suffering from unnecessary anger, fear and mental anguish due to the brainwashing techniques of the antismoking movement. People are now conditioned to think it is their business, any time they spot a person smoking, and that somehow their lives are being affected, even when they don't know the person and there is no possibility of actually being exposed to any smoke. |
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by garhkal
on Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:11 pm |
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| True dat. When i went up to Columbus for the Origins Game fair, i had a few people like that who harassed me even when i was in a SMOKING specific area... |
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by Smoker Sympathizer
on Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:20 pm |
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libertarian99 wrote: Pete Gatti wrote: garhkal wrote: And even then, i feel the power has swung so far in their side, that even if we all say enough is enough, it won't matter.
I haven't reached that point yet. Thus far the power comes from a majority who believe the lies and propaganda. Since I've started visiting this forum, I've become more aware of the ways in which non-smokers' minds have been warped by antismoking propaganda, and it is really painful to watch family members who now feel compelled to condemn smoking even when it has no effect on them.
Case in point: I was listening to my sister complain about a group of young people (not minors, just young people) who regularly congregate in front of her neighbor's house across the cul de sac to smoke. I could hear the disdain in her voice as she talked about how they "stand around over there smoking cigarettes all day."
I can't imagine why anyone would be bothered by seeing a group of people who are socializing and mean no harm to anyone, have no sinister intentions and are not going to bother my sister, as long as she doesn't bother them. I can't imagine caring one way or the other what my neighbors across the street are doing, as long as their behavior doesn't threaten me in any way.
The only thing I can think of is that she is worried about her grandchildren seeing people smoking. Most likely, these kids have been so thoroughly brainwashed in school that she has no reason to worry about them taking up the habit, but still she has a strong reaction to these kids even seeing people smoking.
This is a good example of someone suffering from unnecessary anger, fear and mental anguish due to the brainwashing techniques of the antismoking movement. People are now conditioned to think it is their business, any time they spot a person smoking, and that somehow their lives are being affected, even when they don't know the person and there is no possibility of actually being exposed to any smoke.
I think part of the problem is that smoking is so overregulated, many people don't have a choice anymore about where they go. They just smoke where and when they can. The antismokers may complain about smokers congregating in the doorway, but they're the ones who pushed them outside, so in my opinion they forefit any right to complain.
I don't want to seem anti-kid here; I am very pro-kid. I believe they need to be nurtured, loved and treasured. But concern about kids seeing people smoking will definitely be at the bottom of my worry list if I ever become a parent. Imagine what Iraqui kids see on a day to day basis. I'm willing to bet most of them would trade quite a lot for the "horror" of living on a cul de sac and seeing people smoking. |
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by Smoker Sympathizer
on Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:45 pm |
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garhkal wrote: True dat. When i went up to Columbus for the Origins Game fair, i had a few people like that who harassed me even when i was in a SMOKING specific area...
How do you react when you're harrassed? Do you put out your cigarette? Do you say something? Do you tell people to mind their own business? Does anyone else (smoker or non-smoker) ever come to your defense? It would be really neat if someone other than the target of the harrassment spoke up and made it plain that this kind of busybodying behavior is "not cool" and not welcome, especially when you're in a freaking smoking area. Don't like it, don't go there. |
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by garhkal
on Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:32 pm |
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| Depends where i am at. If like in one of the above where i was IN the designated smoking area, i simply say "complain all you want, i am following the law. If you have issues with it, too bad!" |
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by smallbird
on Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:13 pm |
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Or just start singing to them...(thank you Jonathon Edwards)
He can't even run his own life, I'll be damned if he'll run mine (Sunshine)  |
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by cricket
on Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:59 pm |
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I'll tell you what I do: I read them the Riot Act. I make them flinch. I tell them they're nasty little bourgeouis dolts, and if kids need protection from anyone, it's from brain-dead fools like them: tell them they don't even qualify as measly little commoners, since they've lost every shred of common sense.  |
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by Darkseid
on Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:40 pm |
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YAY! It's Cricket!! Glad to see ya back!!  |
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by shihan
on Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:44 am |
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libertarian99 wrote: This FDA thing is a nightmare. It's obviously an inch closer to prohibition. That's how all this has happened, inch by inch. They pass a small restriction, then expand it a little further, then expand it a little further, and before you know it, your lifestyle is on the verge of total destruction. I don't see how the lawmakers, the antis or anyone else can claim that prohibition won't be the next step after FDA regulation.
I think that if there are no smoking restaurants and movies we should start ones where a pack of cigarettes are handed out at the door and they better have at least five burning at their table. I know this is a stupid concept but that's my point. No one should have the right to close all smoking areas if everyone knows the risk. If I know that there is smoking allowed in a particular restaurant then I can make an informed choice whether to enter or not. |
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by garhkal
on Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:49 pm |
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| By the way the antis seem to think, neither you nor anyone else can make that decision. |
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