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by seabooty on Sun May 31, 2009 7:04 am
Every state has a large city, and you can tune in to the news every day and hear about the shootings, yet only a very cities have banned hand guns. I guess the occassional wisp of cigarette smoke in the air is a far more clear and present danger. Or is it that it's fashionable and acceptable to ban smokers, but not okay to push for gun bans because there are respectable gun owners? Even though by standards of "what's good for us", hand guns should be banned immediately.
"Respectable gun owners." Of course we all know there are no respectable smokers, smokers are akin to rats scurrying around with black plague, not fit to live in the company of the RESPECTABLE people who don't smoke, and in the need of complete extermination by the RESPECTABLE people.
Sure, smokers DON'T contribute to society, love anybody, have any morals, and want to kill everybody, are the lowest human form of life on earth, but they are still human lowlifes and live in the USA, we should at least have equal rights to illegal Mexicans, who are revered and bowed down to and accomidated and receive every free service the country can give out without them paying one penny of taxes. We have even hired spanish speaking interpreters in all welfare and health dept offices to help them out. Ever notice all the signs in stores are in English and Spanish, they don't even have to learn the language!
What in the hell is wrong with these people????????
THE PSYCHO NUT CASES HAVE TAKEN OVER THIS COUNTRY AND HAVE THE MAJORITY FOLLOWING THEM. IT IS INSANE, but politically correct, lest we be accused of not being policitcally correct. Heaven forbid!
But what can you expect from a society that arrests a 6 year old for sexual harrasment because he kissed a classmate?
I'm not sure there is any help for this country, it seems we are all doomed.
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by JoshNJ on Sun May 31, 2009 8:21 am
seabooty wrote:
Every state has a large city, and you can tune in to the news every day and hear about the shootings, yet only a very cities have banned hand guns. I guess the occassional wisp of cigarette smoke in the air is a far more clear and present danger. Or is it that it's fashionable and acceptable to ban smokers, but not okay to push for gun bans because there are respectable gun owners? Even though by standards of "what's good for us", hand guns should be banned immediately.
"Respectable gun owners." Of course we all know there are no respectable smokers, smokers are akin to rats scurrying around with black plague, not fit to live in the company of the RESPECTABLE people who don't smoke, and in the need of complete extermination by the RESPECTABLE people.
Sure, smokers DON'T contribute to society, love anybody, have any morals, and want to kill everybody, are the lowest human form of life on earth, but they are still human lowlifes and live in the USA, we should at least have equal rights to illegal Mexicans, who are revered and bowed down to and accomidated and receive every free service the country can give out without them paying one penny of taxes. We have even hired spanish speaking interpreters in all welfare and health dept offices to help them out. Ever notice all the signs in stores are in English and Spanish, they don't even have to learn the language!
What in the hell is wrong with these people????????
THE PSYCHO NUT CASES HAVE TAKEN OVER THIS COUNTRY AND HAVE THE MAJORITY FOLLOWING THEM. IT IS INSANE, but politically correct, lest we be accused of not being policitcally correct. Heaven forbid!
But what can you expect from a society that arrests a 6 year old for sexual harrasment because he kissed a classmate?
I'm not sure there is any help for this country, it seems we are all doomed.

There is a big debate regarding gun rights and whether weapons can be regulated by a state even though the Constitution recognizes it as a right. A good summary of the conflict is written here:

http://www.reason.com/news/show/133331.html
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by JoshNJ on Sun May 31, 2009 8:41 am
O2Lover wrote:
I think you making an argument based on something that never exists.

All of the death certificates I have seen name the disease or condition that caused the death, but not the cause of the disease or condition. A death certificate might state as the cause of death, "Food poisoning" or something in more technical terms, but not "Food poisoning by way of a e-coli from a bad hamburger at Bertha's Burger Emporium."

Actually I disagree because there are death certificate forms that I have seen which indicate cause of death and then a few extra lines with the option to add antecedent causes of death. For example, on a texas death certificate it says the cause of death would be suicide and then on the next line it would say due to gunshot. So death certificates have shown more than just the direct injury or harm that lead to someone's passing.

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To argue that the lack of mention of SHS on death certificates is proof that SHS is not a cause is disingenuous. Again, I'm not arguing that SHS causes death. I am pointing out the defect in your rationale.

After ladyteal posted this question, I was curious about an answer. The closest I could find to an answer is this "manuscript" which describes a conspiracy theory to the absence of SHS or ETS as an e-code on hospital records or death certificates. A look at this person's biography gives an anti-tobacco impression: http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/G/Michael.S.Givel-1/

Then again, not many pro-tobacco researchers would want to publish something like this, so take it for what it's worth when reading.
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by ladyteal on Sun May 31, 2009 7:47 pm
O2Lover wrote:
ladyteal wrote:

One of the questions that have been asked many times of anti smokers is "where are the bodies?". Where are the death certificates that say they died Joe and Jane Schmoe died of SHS? To date none have been produced.


I think you making an argument based on something that never exists.

All of the death certificates I have seen name the disease or condition that caused the death, but not the cause of the disease or condition. A death certificate might state as the cause of death, "Food poisoning" or something in more technical terms, but not "Food poisoning by way of a e-coli from a bad hamburger at Bertha's Burger Emporium." If an AIDS patient dies, the death certificate might state as a cause, "Pneumonia as a complication related to AIDS", but it would not also add "which was acquired as a result of contaminated hypodermic needles." So, a death certificate might say that the cause of death was lung cancer, probably in more technical terms, but would not say, "Lung cancer caused by second-hand smoke."

To argue that the lack of mention of SHS on death certificates is proof that SHS is not a cause is disingenuous. Again, I'm not arguing that SHS causes death. I am pointing out the defect in your rationale.


In PA there is an item on the death cert. that asks the question was this death related to tobacco, not exact words.
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by Slearwig on Sun May 31, 2009 8:07 pm
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In PA there is an item on the death cert. that asks the question was this death related to tobacco, not exact words.


Could be because the taxes pay for 'the children' instead of the patient!

Has anyone determined that bronchitis and emphysema, including from pneumonia, are caused by digestive disorders and not the smoke or infection in the lungs?
I've had bronchitis on an ulcer and when the ulcer goes into remission, the bronchitis vanishes. The bronchitis normally affects my right lung along the circulatory path through the stomach, then lung.

I've had doctors diagnose this as 'smoker's bronchitis' when it was caused by an infection or chronic sleep disruptions increasing histamine levels and putting a hit on the kidneys. I throw up and the bronchitis clears up immediately.
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