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by libertarian99 on Tue May 12, 2009 9:44 pm
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You voted for him with a nickname of libertarian99??????Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

He is 180 degrees off from libertarian ideals - when he was running and promising ice cream and lollipops the red flags should have been waving before you hit the polls
I was actually voting against Sarah Palin because I thought it would be impossible for anyone to be a worse candidate than her, and considering McCain's age, there was a good chance she would end up being commander-in-chief if McCain was elected.

I didn't do that much advance research on Obama because his arrogance turned me off at first, and I didn't think he had any real chance of being elected at age 46. I just can't stand the schizophrenic views of people like Sarah Palin who claim to be pro-life, then pose proudly over the corpse of a dead moose. Plus I did not want a self-professed "soccer mom" to be the commander-in-chief of our armed forces.

She only got as far as she did based on the fact that she has really good hair, and all the guys thought she was a babe.
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by Lynda F on Wed May 13, 2009 8:36 am
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I was actually voting against Sarah Palin because I thought it would be impossible for anyone to be a worse candidate than her, and considering McCain's age, there was a good chance she would end up being commander-in-chief if McCain was elected.

She only got as far as she did based on the fact that she has really good hair, and all the guys thought she was a babe.


And THIS is why we are stuck with the same two parties......the people refuse to show their disdain for what is forced upon them by continuing to vote for 1 of the lesser of 2 evils, rather than standing up and making a real statement and voting for another party.

Yes, the majority will stick with the two, but eventually, in the long run we would win.

I voted for a third party, to make MY statement. It may not have been heard, BUT I refused to accept what they tried to force on me.
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by Pete Gatti on Wed May 13, 2009 12:45 pm
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I voted for a third party, to make MY statement. It may not have been heard, BUT I refused to accept what they tried to force on me.


I'm a registered Libertarian for the same reason, to make a statement for less government intrusion.

IMO, Sarah Palin was chosen to win over the Hillary vote and it backfired on them. The Republicans missed their chance with Ron Paul since he's 180 degrees from W. Bush and all the other typical Republicans candidates that were offered. Politics as usual most certainly cost them the election. They should have been more in tune with the needs of the people instead of resorting to lame tactics to win votes.

The Dems won because they offered the illusion of anti-Bush "change we need" and the people in dire need of it took the hook.
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by libertarian99 on Wed May 13, 2009 12:58 pm
Lynda F wrote:
libertarian99 wrote:
I was actually voting against Sarah Palin because I thought it would be impossible for anyone to be a worse candidate than her, and considering McCain's age, there was a good chance she would end up being commander-in-chief if McCain was elected.

She only got as far as she did based on the fact that she has really good hair, and all the guys thought she was a babe.


And THIS is why we are stuck with the same two parties......the people refuse to show their disdain for what is forced upon them by continuing to vote for 1 of the lesser of 2 evils, rather than standing up and making a real statement and voting for another party.

Yes, the majority will stick with the two, but eventually, in the long run we would win.

I voted for a third party, to make MY statement. It may not have been heard, BUT I refused to accept what they tried to force on me.
Who were the third party candidates last time? I never thought of making a statement about the two-party system with my vote, but it sounds like a good idea for the future.
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by Lynda F on Wed May 13, 2009 2:27 pm
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Who were the third party candidates last time? I never thought of making a statement about the two-party system with my vote, but it sounds like a good idea for the future.


I actually don't remember who was which party, but there was the green party, the independent party, the libertarian party.

I know many people actually wrote in Ron Paul's name, as their way of making a statement.

For me, it was about NOT voting for either of the two that were shoved in our faces. I was NOT voting Rep or Dem no matter who was running.
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by garhkal on Wed May 13, 2009 4:22 pm
Very true. Many i worked with said if there was more options than either just the reps or dems, they would vote, but this years independents did not look like much.
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by Asmoker2 on Thu May 14, 2009 3:25 pm
Well, I was tolding voting third party is like throwing away your vote, but I'll choose more carefully next time...if there is a next time. Methinks we're heading for a dictatorship.
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by freakycat on Thu May 14, 2009 4:19 pm
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They can't take away our rights so they'll just tax it.


Hate to disagree, but oh yes they can take away our rights and they have. NC is going smoke free. Many cities are already smoke free!

1. The freedom to enjoy a meal. Smoke free resturants... all of them in some cities and states. It is no longer up to the individual resturant owner.

2. The freedom to go to public places. Third hand smoke hysteria is threatening our right to be there period, whether or not we are smoking at the time.

3. The right to health care. Smokers can't get transplants or certain other heroic measures, just because we smoke. I talked to a guy who is dying because he smoked alright. He can't get a kidney transplant. The doctors will not give it to him because he's a smoker. Other than his kidneys he's in good health, and what's wrong with his kidneys has nothing to do with smoking... so now they can essentially kill us because we smoke!

4. The freedom to travel. It is getting harder and harder to find smoking rooms in hotels. If you can't smoke in the hotel room, and you can't smoke in the resturants... just exactly where can you smoke? A smoke free vacation is not a fun vacation at all.

5. The right to an education. Colleges, community colleges, and all various places of higher learning are all becoming smoke free campus. You can't even smoke in the car, in the parking lot... though they will play heck stopping me when if I go to pick up my daughter. LOL OK so what if a smoker is stuck in that place with classes back to back? There is no way... so essentially people pick between school and smoking.

6. The right to work. Smoking is forbidden in all work places in our state, or will be soon. This is just wrong.

7. The right to art. Many movies have been made in our state, because of the quaint buildings, and lovely nature. Now however they will not be making as many movies here, because it is against the law for directors and actors to smoke, and fruther even if it is necessary to the plot, actors cannot be filmed smoking in this state.

8. The right to privacy in our own homes and living quarters. There have been laws passed in some areas that prevent people who live in homes that are connected to other homes... like condos, appartments and ect. from smoking in their own homes.

9. The right to do whatever they demonize next... who knows what will be illegal next. French fries? Chocolate? Sodas? Already we were subject to the rediculous prohibition of marajuana, which is far less harmful than cigarettes or alcohol. I don't smoke pot, but I think the fact it is illegal is ignorant. So what will they pick next... maybe they will illegalize dry cleaning or something. I think it will be that random.

In general we should make a real stand against this. It isn't just the taxes. The taxes are bad, but the real issue is the right to smoke. It will soon be illegal at any price.
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by garhkal on Thu May 14, 2009 5:47 pm
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3. The right to health care. Smokers can't get transplants or certain other heroic measures, just because we smoke. I talked to a guy who is dying because he smoked alright. He can't get a kidney transplant. The doctors will not give it to him because he's a smoker. Other than his kidneys he's in good health, and what's wrong with his kidneys has nothing to do with smoking... so now they can essentially kill us because we smoke!


WTF ovcer. They can deny health care? That imo should be illegal.

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4. The freedom to travel. It is getting harder and harder to find smoking rooms in hotels. If you can't smoke in the hotel room, and you can't smoke in the resturants... just exactly where can you smoke? A smoke free vacation is not a fun vacation at all.


Agreed. I had a long bitch session with the manager up in Napperville early this year when i went up there for a gaming con. When i booked the room, i paid 20 extra for a smoking room (and that 20 was to guarentee i got the smoking room) but when i arived i was told ALL chicago hotels are non smoking.. WELL WHY the frak book someone for a smoking room then!!!!

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5. The right to an education. Colleges, community colleges, and all various places of higher learning are all becoming smoke free campus. You can't even smoke in the car, in the parking lot... though they will play heck stopping me when if I go to pick up my daughter. LOL OK so what if a smoker is stuck in that place with classes back to back? There is no way... so essentially people pick between school and smoking.


This is why i would rather do on line education than go to college.

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6. The right to work. Smoking is forbidden in all work places in our state, or will be soon. This is just wrong.


I know some military bases are trying to make it hard to smoke by putting the smoking gazebos as far away from where you work as possible to make it to much of an inconvience to go and smoke...

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7. The right to art. Many movies have been made in our state, because of the quaint buildings, and lovely nature. Now however they will not be making as many movies here, because it is against the law for directors and actors to smoke, and fruther even if it is necessary to the plot, actors cannot be filmed smoking in this state.


WTF? What state is that?

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8. The right to privacy in our own homes and living quarters. There have been laws passed in some areas that prevent people who live in homes that are connected to other homes... like condos, appartments and ect. from smoking in their own homes.


I can understand doing that for Appartments as many share air conditioning;air vents. BUT i will be damned if i am going to be told i cannot smoke in a house i BOUGHT!.
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by freakycat on Sat May 16, 2009 8:25 am
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WTF ovcer. They can deny health care? That imo should be illegal.


Yes I agree, but I was standing outside a huge hospital in North Carolina.. Chapel Hill to be exact, and there was this guy, outside, smoking a cigarette. He had an IV poll and was wearing a cheezy hospital gown and a coat. It was cold... We were standing there smoking, and he told me that he would probably die, cause he needed a kidney transplant... they'd do dialisis, but it wasn't working that well, and they wouldn't even consider putting him on a transplant list because he smoked. The hospital was treating him like crap, and I thought it was just him... but then another guy came out who also was not getting appropriate treatment due to his smoking. They were trying to force them to quit, but you know how that is. Anyway They were at that time "allowing people to smoke in a designated area outside the hospital, but that would soon be discontinued... hospital patients who smoke are forced to smoke completely off the grounds now. These people are seriously ill, many are termanally ill. It is a hospital that attracts extremely sick people, and they are standing outside in all kinds of weather, and having to hike to a place they can smoke? It's crazy.

I met another woman who was standing outside her hotel, cause the only non smoking rooms were on the second floor, and she also had a totally unrelated uterine cancer, and was unable to climb the stairs to get a non smoking room. She was going to the hospital as an outpatient for tests. She said she felt it was ironic that her cancer had nothing to do with her smoking.

Chapel Hill is the heart of Gestapo land in NC.


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Agreed. I had a long bitch session with the manager up in Napperville early this year when i went up there for a gaming con. When i booked the room, i paid 20 extra for a smoking room (and that 20 was to guarentee i got the smoking room) but when i arived i was told ALL chicago hotels are non smoking.. WELL WHY the frak book someone for a smoking room then!!!!


I know, and we are treated like we have leprosy. They are changing the laws as we speak, and it is all happening so fast... we have no rights.


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This is why i would rather do on line education than go to college.


Yes, but unless we get smokers with professional degrees, like doctor and lawier, our rights will continue to decline. Med school educations can't happen on line.


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I know some military bases are trying to make it hard to smoke by putting the smoking gazebos as far away from where you work as possible to make it to much of an inconvience to go and smoke...


It is the beginning of the end. They will go the way of hospitals, and college campuses. First it was the smoking areas inside, then it was outside... anywhere outside, then it was gazabos, conveniently located. Then they move the gazabos fruther away... the next step is when they take up the Gazabos, and make you hike all the way off their property, and search for a spot to smoke in.


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7. The right to art. Many movies have been made in our state, because of the quaint buildings, and lovely nature. Now however they will not be making as many movies here, because it is against the law for directors and actors to smoke, and fruther even if it is necessary to the plot, actors cannot be filmed smoking in this state.


WTF? What state is that?


NC. They did amend the law to allow the actor to smoke on screen, but others on the set can't.


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I can understand doing that for Appartments as many share air conditioning;air vents. BUT i will be damned if i am going to be told i cannot smoke in a house i BOUGHT!.


I quite agree. I also do not see it in appartments. We are talking about tobacco smoke, not mustard gas.LOL
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