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by Jay
on Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:15 pm |
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| I can see a class action suit in the future against Big Tobacco in regards to the serious health (and life) effects from people smoking FSCs. But I can't see someone suing Big Tobacco for the high cig prices. |
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by Slearwig
on Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:44 pm |
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You don't sue Big Tobacco.
You sue the responsible members of Congress and The President for violating our 9th and 14th Amendments and the
Uniform Tax Clause.
I'd love to. |
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by Pete Gatti
on Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:37 pm |
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grabben wrote: they have already proven that tobacco is addictive and i agree.
They haven't proven squat, all they did was change the definition of addiction to suit their anti-tobacco agenda, make smokers feel like junkies in need of nico-cessation aids.
Prior to the 90's smoking was classified as habitual.
Smokers are not helpless, not when historically the vast majority quit cold turkey. People today find it difficult to quit smoking because they are being forced to, not because they really want to. People have the will to do almost anything they set their mind to, never let anti trick you into thinking otherwise. |
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by Asmoker2
on Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:58 am |
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Amen, Pete! 
I often wondered why people world-wide are so stressed out these days. Having heart attacks at a younger age...blowing peoples heads off, etc. Well, I'm thinking it's because we are "FORCED" into everything.
Don't smoke
Don't overeat
Don't waste gas
Don't throw plastics and aluminum in with regular trash
Don't spank your kids, use psychology when they're outta hand. (yeah right)
Don't waste water (only flush when ya gotta)
Don't use paper plates
Don't ...don't ...don't...don't...don't.
We're a nation "Forced" and "Stressed." |
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by Pete Gatti
on Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:59 pm |
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Asmoker2 wrote: Amen, Pete!
I often wondered why people world-wide are so stressed out these days. Having heart attacks at a younger age...blowing peoples heads off, etc. Well, I'm thinking it's because we are "FORCED" into everything.
Don't smoke
Don't overeat
Don't waste gas
Don't throw plastics and aluminum in with regular trash
Don't spank your kids, use psychology when they're outta hand. (yeah right)
Don't waste water (only flush when ya gotta)
Don't use paper plates
Don't ...don't ...don't...don't...don't.
We're a nation "Forced" and "Stressed."
Unfortunately most people don't even know they're being force, that would raise too many red flags. Thus they are being coerced into doing something they really don't want to do. They believe the lies and propaganda and reluctantly go along with it. |
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by garhkal
on Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:36 pm |
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Asmoker2 wrote: Amen, Pete!
I often wondered why people world-wide are so stressed out these days. Having heart attacks at a younger age...blowing peoples heads off, etc. Well, I'm thinking it's because we are "FORCED" into everything.
Don't smoke
Don't overeat
Don't waste gas
Don't throw plastics and aluminum in with regular trash
Don't spank your kids, use psychology when they're outta hand. (yeah right)
Don't waste water (only flush when ya gotta)
Don't use paper plates
Don't ...don't ...don't...don't...don't.
We're a nation "Forced" and "Stressed."
That is an interesting point. May i use it on another site?? |
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by Asmoker2
on Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:52 pm |
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garhkal wrote: Asmoker2 wrote: Amen, Pete!
I often wondered why people world-wide are so stressed out these days. Having heart attacks at a younger age...blowing peoples heads off, etc. Well, I'm thinking it's because we are "FORCED" into everything.
Don't smoke
Don't overeat
Don't waste gas
Don't throw plastics and aluminum in with regular trash
Don't spank your kids, use psychology when they're outta hand. (yeah right)
Don't waste water (only flush when ya gotta)
Don't use paper plates
Don't ...don't ...don't...don't...don't.
We're a nation "Forced" and "Stressed."
That is an interesting point. May i use it on another site??
If you think it's worthy of repeating, be my guest. |
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by JoshNJ
on Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:37 am |
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Slearwig wrote: You don't sue Big Tobacco.
You sue the responsible members of Congress and The President for violating our 9th and 14th Amendments and the
Uniform Tax Clause.
I'd love to.
I do not see how you could sue the legislative or executive branches with any of those amendments. The 9th amendment doesn't grant any rights, the 14th clearly does not apply to smoking cigarettes, and Article 1 gives Congress pretty much unfettered power to tax and spend any way they want, including to the point that it indirectly causes the limitation of certain commerce (like smoking).
You have more of a fighting chance suing a company than the government. |
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by Slearwig
on Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:32 am |
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JoshNJ wrote: Slearwig wrote: You don't sue Big Tobacco.
You sue the responsible members of Congress and The President for violating our 9th and 14th Amendments and the
Uniform Tax Clause.
I'd love to.
I do not see how you could sue the legislative or executive branches with any of those amendments. The 9th amendment doesn't grant any rights, the 14th clearly does not apply to smoking cigarettes, and Article 1 gives Congress pretty much unfettered power to tax and spend any way they want, including to the point that it indirectly causes the limitation of certain commerce (like smoking).
You have more of a fighting chance suing a company than the government.
You're kidding, right?
The 9th Amendment establishes and protects Non-Enumerated Rights retained by The People, whether listed or not. Rights such as Liberty are also not listed in The Constitution, yet are in general recognized by The 9th, or damn well should be. |
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by rlf
on Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:41 pm |
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JoshNJ wrote: Slearwig wrote: You don't sue Big Tobacco.
You sue the responsible members of Congress and The President for violating our 9th and 14th Amendments and the
Uniform Tax Clause.
I'd love to.
I do not see how you could sue the legislative or executive branches with any of those amendments. The 9th amendment doesn't grant any rights, the 14th clearly does not apply to smoking cigarettes, and Article 1 gives Congress pretty much unfettered power to tax and spend any way they want, including to the point that it indirectly causes the limitation of certain commerce (like smoking).
You have more of a fighting chance suing a company than the government.
Nevertheless, excessive taxation of a minority group as part of a massive effort to "denormalise," stigmatize and impoverish that group has got to be a violation of human rights. It goes far beyond just an effort to reduce the smoking rate. What other minority group is forced to endure a constant barrage of financial extortion, public humiliation and discrimination in employment and housing?
Gay people are in the same boat, because their status as a minority group is based on voluntary behavior. They got more credibility when structural differences were found in their brains, indicating that their behavior was rooted in biology and not done on a whim.
What we need is some kind of a genetic or physical marker that differentiates us from non-smokers. Then we could claim that we are being stigmatized and dehumanized due to a factor that is beyond our control. Like I said, gay people have made advances even though it was once believed their behavior was strictly a matter of personal choice.
All the other minority groups have physical characteristics like skin color, gender, disability, etc., that are beyond their control, so they can't be expected to change it. That's the key to getting legal protection from unjust persecution by the majority. |
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