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by Jay
on Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:42 am |
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BTW little boy Brian, I think that person who criticized me for my writing on here was actually a smoking activist. Not an anti. Shows how well you've fallen off of your rocker.
10 years ago, you used to act like a mature man on here. Now, you're not even acting your own age anymore with at least one lie from you in this thread alone. Do I need to bring up the constant swearing from you that makes you look more like a boy instead of a man?
You made it sound in this thread like you want to be treated as the "Smokers Rights King." Since you started the first ever smokers rights site/forum, you think a good idea is to consolidate all of the otha smokers rights sites into one large one, where I guess you would be the "main leader."
Based on your conduct in this thread alone, you would make a terrible "Smokers Rights King" or a main leader of consolidated smokers rights sites.
You were telling me earlier in this thread what I should do if I want respect. Well, it's very weird telling someone older than me some advice, but I have every right to say this.
If you want respect from me, you're gonna have to earn it. You're not gonna earn respect from me by proving to me you're a liar (by your actions) in this thread alone. And if you insist on responding to every one of my posts (although YOU said you don't care what I have to say), at least respond like the mature man you used to be 10 years ago instead of like a boy who thinks he's a bully.
BTW, Brian, that's why God invented banning members from forums and groups. Telling someone to leave doesn't work, even after several warnings for the person (before the ban comes). I've seen it for myself on several forums over the years.
But why should I leave? You said this is a free and open discussion forum where censorship is not given. So that means this is a forum where I can openly give you my thoughts on how you have changed as a person within the past couple of days. |
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by Jay
on Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:07 am |
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There are plenty of places where you can argue with antis online. As far as "If we don't argue with antis, we aren't getting anywhere with them."
What's the point of getting anywhere with an anti on a forum where people just talk? Unless there are people on here who pass out flyers, make court appearances on smoking cases, I could see that point of getting somewhere with an anti then, cause then at least you would be doing some offline work in the smoking fight. And you hope talking to an anti online can help you understand an anti OFFLINE.
From my experience of being a smoking activist, a lot of smokers don't mind letting their anger out towards smoking bans. But a lot of them are too lazy to get up off of their a ssses and try to actually make a difference about it.
It's gonna take more than a few smokers to get even one smoking ban revoked within the US, It's gonna have to take a large group of offline smokers who are willing to work. And I don't mean work in the sense of say writing lettas to politicians and mailing them. A betta idea would be looking into paying a state politician a visit, and give him the letta in person. And bring a group of smokers with you.
Politicians need to see more outraged smokers in person. But a lot of smokers are too scared to do that cause they supposedly think one person (the leader) can make a difference for them.
If smokers wanna see a change towards smoking, it's gonna take a whole GROUP to do it. Not one person. And the one person on here (the site owner) would be a bad representative for smokers offline anyway.
Unless you're doing actual offline work of some kind as a smoking activist which includes offline debates with anti org reps (like talking to ACS reps), what's the point of trying to understand antis on a pro-smoking forum? Especially when 100 percent likely, you're neva gonna meet the antis on this forum?
I don't need to understand an anti that I'm neva gonna meet. And I already understand how antis act in general. This anti on here has a conduct that's a lot similar to otha antismokers I've seen on forums over the years. He's childish, he doesn't have proof to back up his very vague opinions. And I definitely understand his message of wanting to see smokers dead.
And censoring that conduct wouldn't allow othas to understand the anti? The only person I can see not understanding an anti at all is one who have neva ran into criminals, bullies, nor have a single argument with anyone throughout his/her life.
Maybe even reading the book Dissecting Antismokers Brains can help someone understand an antismoker more, instead of trying to break down antis' posts on this forum. Besides, these antis don't even have proof that they're using their real identities online.
You're wasting your time in debating with someone and trying to understand someone using a fake identity on the net. Trying to understand an anti on a forum is like trying to understand a fictional character in a novel, while passing off the novel character as a real human being at the same time.
The only thang that is real about antis is they're humans and not robots. But it's hard to understand their identity since I know I neva saw an anti use his real name once on any smokers rights forum. They wanna be anon as possible when posting on a forum like this.
Nobody can do anythang to them offline by just knowing their first names. So I don't see the point of an anti being anon on a foum. |
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by BWilliams
on Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:35 am |
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Jay you ignorant slut.
First of all, my name is Bill. Secondly, I don't give a rats ass what you think of me, that's why you haven't been banned or censored from badmouthing me on this forum. And you never will be. Insult away, I am a grown man and can take it!
Perhaps I wouldn't be the best Smokers Rights King, that's why I never asked to be. I only wanted to combine the forums - I didn't say I would be the admin, or the only admin. I offered to make Samantha and the other site owners an admin or a moderator - a SHARED FORUM with ONE VOICE. Now who's lying to you?
And you're right, I shouldn't say I care that much about the insults and the slander, I really don't. That's why you haven't been censored or moderated. It's the backstabbing and moneygrubbing which have set me off - the behind the scenes shit which goes on between these competing sites which you are not privy to and never will be. Your mind is closed and you blindly follow the other ringleader - go ahead, that's your right.
If after 10 years you don't think I know a thing or two, fine. If you think I'm making all this shit up just to pick a fight and destroy my own website, fine. I don't care, because this has all disgusted me and I am giving up. One day you'll look back and ask yourself, "Did Bill just call everyone an asshole and destroy his 10 years of work for no reason, or did some external factor cause him to do so?"
Believe it or not, there are bigger things than your ego at play in this forum and a lot of political issues going on amongst the site owners which you never see. |
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by Jay
on Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:46 am |
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There's no competition going on with these sites, and you know it. Michael McFadden, anotha respectable person in the smokers rights community, made that same point.
I'm not the one who made up that lie. You did. And I call it as I see it in regards to your conduct in this thread alone. If there's anyone in this thread with ego problems, it must be you. Because I originally defended my friend for 5 years Samantha in this thread, and when you started saying bad things about her, if you think I'm supposed to ignore a rude-a ss man attacking a woman I'm friends with, then you ain't in the real world.
Posting on here (at least on my part) has nothang to do with egos. It has more to do with doing my part to set the record straight, since I'm a person who has now been at all 3 sites. Speakeasy seems to have more peaceful moderators unlike this one on here.
I don't remember a single time EVER over the past 5 years where Samantha tried saying somethang like in an email "If you want to continue to read the newsletta, please send a donation to the Smokers Club." I'm sure if she really wanted money, she would send actual emails to Smokers Club members constantly.
You might actually learn somethang from reading her newsletters, since they focus on smoking topics. She doesn't send out newsletters with the intent of making money off of them via member donations.
And FORCES? Most of the people on there are true smoking activists since their views are similar to my own. Not to mention they're true activists in terms of how they act compared to you. Yes, they do ask for donations. But the donations are voluntary. If they are in some kind of competition (LOL) they would force peoole to make donations every week it seems like!
The only person who invented this fictional competition is you, not me. I agree with Michael that none of these sites make millions of bucks in donations with their heavy traffic. I seriously doubt FORCES makes 5000 bucks in donations afta one month alone! Maybe in a year, but not one month.
10 years from now, I'd be thinking more about FORCES and the Smokers Club (if one or both of those sites disappeared at any point in the next 10-year period. |
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by BWilliams
on Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:53 am |
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You mean the Michael McFadden that partnered with Smokers Club and advertises his book on there? Yeah, I'm sure he's worth listening to. He refused to put a link to smokinglobby on his site years ago when I asked him because he said he had an exclusive payout agreement with Smokers Club.
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about, you are not part of this. |
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by Jay
on Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:10 am |
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BWilliams wrote: You mean the Michael McFadden that partnered with Smokers Club and advertises his book on there? Yeah, I'm sure he's worth listening to. He refused to put a link to smokinglobby on his site years ago when I asked him because he said he had an exclusive payout agreement with Smokers Club.
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about, you are not part of this.
You're right. I have no idea what you're talking about with your constant lies. |
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by Jay
on Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:19 am |
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It's the same Michael McFadden who actually attempted to post his thoughts on this topic himself, but he had to ask me because he said he couldn't even use the Contact Us link (so you can read it in private I guess).
The only dude that needs professional help on here is you. Michael is a good person himself. I've talked with him over the years as well.
Just like I don't know what's going on behind the scenes (although the more you bring it up and keep attacking credible smokers rights activists, the less believable your words are), you don't know me and you also don't know that these people you bring up are people I've talked to for years.
I wonder what you think of Audrey Silk? He's in the same type of class as Michael and Samantha, a TRUE smoking activist, although that's one activist I neva heard from even once. I see his name all over the net, and not just in one location. I guess Audrey didn't put up a Smoking Lobby link on his site cause of "money-related reasons?" |
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by BWilliams
on Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:41 am |
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| Dumbass. Audrey is a woman, not a man, and she is a true pioneer in NYC smoker's rights! Of course you don't know her because you don't know any true activists - just the people who run websites for money. And she has linked to Smokinglobby for years from her site, and I have linked to hers. We have spoken and worked together several times - whenever she sent me a press release I posted it here and got the word out. |
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by Jay
on Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:47 am |
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If you're a true activist yourself dumbass, start acting like a MAN, pip-squeak. If you think I'm gonna leave as long as you keep attacking me, you HAVE to be a dumbass.
Thanks for the correction. I guess as long as you live in NY, you're a true activist. LOL
Where's the damn proof that these sites are in it for the money, dumb activist? Last time I checked, you NEED to have money to come up with the resources to fight antis as a smoking activist.
If you think you can fight antis without raising a dime, you gotta be smoking somethang worse than cigs. |
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by Jay
on Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:58 am |
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I will get around to deleting my own Smoking Lobby link once this site is officially sold, although it's likely gonna remain on my original version of my links page forever. I can delete it from my blog links too.
Nope, I had my Smokng Lobby links up for free. I didn't get paid everytime someone clicks it, and nobody from the Smokers Club gave me money to put their links up either. I didn't expect to make money from having ANY smokers rights links up. LOL!!!!!
Audrey Silk is a cool woman for supporting NY Smokers RIghts. But anyone else who supports smokers rights and lives outside of NYS must be "F ucked up." Am I right on my interpretation of your thinking? |
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