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by jemeyes
on Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:21 am |
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Sorry Bil
I could not sell it with so many people investing in the site with all those that sent me a small donation its like I am in a partnership with them..
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by BWilliams
on Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:26 pm |
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You could have just accepted my offer and paid them back.
It makes me consider shutting SmokingLobby down. I've been running this site for almost 10 years with no thanks or payment, and it seems like all the time another competitor like Speakeasy is popping up to steal my idea and open a forum and steal any users that come to this forum. And now people are actually giving away money to a clone site which is a cheap rip-off of mine?!?!
It makes me lose faith in the smokers that I have strived for almost 10 years to fight for and protect. |
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by jemeyes
on Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:29 pm |
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BWilliams wrote: You could have just accepted my offer and paid them back.
It makes me consider shutting SmokingLobby down. I've been running this site for almost 10 years with no thanks or payment, and it seems like all the time another competitor like Speakeasy is popping up to steal my idea and open a forum and steal any users that come to this forum. And now people are actually giving away money to a clone site which is a cheap rip-off of mine?!?!
It makes me lose faith in the smokers that I have strived for almost 10 years to fight for and protect.
Bill no need to get nasty speakeasy has been around for a long time longer than smoking lobby 1989 infact cloning of your site is not the case.. I sujest you do some history fact finding.. you maybe suprised at what ya find.. no one is out to steal anything from your site.. people are free to go where they want. and if it visiting numous sites to get their fill of information its totally up to them. and how dare you come off acting like an ass and not giving the people the opertunity to help you if you need it.. I asked for help have you? |
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by BWilliams
on Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:54 pm |
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Why don't I ask for handouts and charity from people? Because I'm not one of those members of society who think everything should be handed to them. I am fighting for Smoker's Rights, and I don't ask, nor have I received, any financial assistance to do so. I do it, and I run SmokingLobby, because I believe in our cause! I am not like some crackhead welfare mother whos keeps having kids to collect handouts from the government. If you can't handle the responsibility of running a site, get the fuck out.
Now for your history lesson. Your little bullshit clone site SpeakEasy ripped off Smokinglobby when it was created in Apr, 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://speakeasyforum.com
I don't think you remember because you didn't own the site back then but I know all too damn well about the 2 fucking cunts that TOTALLY RIPPED OFF smokinglobby to start that bullshit little forum.
Smokinglobby was created in 1998, but was moved in Aug of 2000: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://smokinglobby.com. It's actually been moved and reincarnated several times since then, but our mission has always remained the same. We fight for smoker's rights. |
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by jemeyes
on Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:12 pm |
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Oh I see.. that explains it now you are a Newyoker and newyorkers have a baddddddddddddd temper and nasty all around attitude
sorry bill I am not a welfare mom never have been never will be.. |
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by naptownKrabbi
on Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:46 pm |
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Quote: I've been running this site for almost 10 years with no thanks or payment
smokingLobby has been a great comfort, excellent source of information, and a fine place to vent my frustrations at a time when it seemed to me that everyone was completely naive about where all the anti-smoker, anti-freedom nonsense was heading...THANK YOU BILL!!! The next round's on me...
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by BWilliams
on Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:25 pm |
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Thank you Naptown, I do appreciate that. I don't run SmokingLobby for the thanks or the money, I run it to spread the word and get our voice heard.
But this whole experience has taught me a lot about people in general, and why our efforts in this country standing up for the minority rights of smokers has failed, and always will fail.
Here's the problem with this country: when something starts going a little south, we beg and plead and cry like little babies, "Oh please help me, give me free money and charity, give me donations, I deserve it ... blah, blah blah, boo hoo hoo." The Speakeasy debacle is a prime example of this and angers me to no end. They started Speakeasy several years after I started Smokinglobby for the express purpose of taking my traffic away and funnelling resources away from Smokinglobby. They could have offered to help me run SmokingLobby, so we could have created a huge forum for everyone to go to for Smoker's rights, but they didn't. And then Smoker's Club added a forum to steal traffic, and then a few years later Forces created one.
Make no mistake - Smokinglobby may not be the first Smoker's Rights site on the internet, but it was definitely, AS A FACT, the first Smoker's Rights FORUM. The first forum which gave members a voice to be heard. When I started this site I did it because I wanted to fight TheTruth.com and all the anti-tobacco legislation, and there was NOT ONE site on the internet which offered a forum for smokers to discuss their rights. So I created it. And asked for no money, no handouts - I built it from the ground up with sweat and perseverance.
So you can imagine the anger and ire I felt when these copycat clone forums popped up for no reason other than to steal traffic and make a quick buck. They could have just linked to my forum, or they could have partnered with me - but I didn't receive ONE OFFER from any of these assholes - and the fuckers at Smokers Club, Speakeasy and Forces know damn well who they f uck they are.
So now I see those idiots at Speakeasy have decided "smokers rights" isn't cool anymore so they want to throw in the towel. And what happens? My own forum members donate money to them to keep their site alive. Sickening.
Make no mistake - Speakeasy is NOT a website. It offers no news, no facts, nothing - it is just a forum, in direct competition with Smokinglobby. They do nothing different - there is absolutely no reason in the world for the two to exist seperately. If all forum sites were merged they could have created one powerful voice to be heard.
And that is why the smoker's rights movement has failed and always will. I offered to partner with Smoker's Club years ago so that we could have one forum with thousands of members that could make our collective voice be heard as one. But no, they make money off their ads and wanted to steal as much traffic as possbile. Forces is just as bad - they actually tell their members to install the Alexa toolbar and artificially drive up their traffic rankings so they can make more money (see http://www.forces.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?t=1038)
No, I understand we are in a capitalist society and I may not like Forces and Smokers Club for openly competing with me in a free market, but I RESPECT their right to do so. They care about making a few bucks rather than partnering to create one forum 10,000 members strong. As capitalists, that is their right.
But the Speakeasy pussies are a bunch of whiny bitches that just want welfare handouts. Just like the Democrats and Socialists, they want free handouts to keep them afloat. So even though I competed with them and BEAT them in a fair, open market (they have 900 members, this site has 2,600), they cry poor and get free handouts.
AND YOU PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT GAVE IT TO THEM. Here was a chance to merge the sites and make this forum 3,500 members strong - and actually make Speakesy's owners earn money because I would have PAID them - but our "smokers" decided no, let's keep our numbers weak and seperate.
Divided we have been conquered.
And before everyone thinks I'm just being greedy - I don't want to run anything other than a forum. Forces can keep their news platform, Smokers Club can keep their Newsletter, etc. It was intention only to partner and run one forum - AND SPLIT PROFITS, if there were any (which there actually aren't)!!! Smokinglobby is the original Smoker's Rights Forum, and it was my child, so I wanted to see it grow to become the one place on the internet legislators and news media could come to to hear one voice.
Instead, you have splintered our cause into several factions and the last several years have seen the final death of public smoker's rights as we know them. In a few years, smoking will be outlawed altogether. I hope you can get your donations to Speakeasy written off now while you can, because apparently all you people ever cared about was money. |
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