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by BWilliams
on Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:45 am |
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This certainly looks like a setback for yesmoke - they are going to have to come up with a defense to get around this. If the problem is that they are packing their cigs improperly, i.e. adding a U.S. tax stamp, that should be easy enough to fix. But I fear this is going to be a war against taxation.
We as smokers are not represented fairly when the gov't tries to raise our taxes, so we should not have to pay them. I hope they bring this case to court and Otamedia (yesmoke) kicks their ass and allows us to buy cigs from whereever we want, with no U.S. taxes levied against us. |
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by Tom
on Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:58 am |
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This is weird. We still don't have the full story though.
Quote: It is believed that the cigarettes were manufactured in the United States, then shipped to countries such as Switzerland
This is not true. The cigs are mostly in the EU or Philippeans except for some RJRT products.
Quote: The problem is that the cigarettes are re-packaged with a U.S. stamp
There's no such thing as a US stamp. We use state stamps here in America. The federal excise tax is 0.39 per pack. That's not too bad, but the part that scares me is where they said they're telling states about this. I don't believe it though, becasue of the above errors.
I think the ATF is just going through all the packages for people ordering like 10-20 cartons or more. The article mentioned resellers, and I know someone who bought a carton of Marlboro Lights on the street for $25. I said, let me see a pack, and it said made in Switz.
I would recomend buying cigs from Ron's smoke shop or another Seneca site, pay by money order, and have it shipped to your work place. Use a slightly different name. I avoid all this stress by making my own cigs for less than $10.00 a carton. |
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by BWilliams
on Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:01 am |
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| By U.S. stamp I meant the state stamp that we put on them here in the states. I just remember reading somewhere (or was it in that video?) that some of these EU sellers were putting these stamps on the cigs. Which, obviously, would be pretty illegal. But if they're stamped made in Switz I would think that's a legal transaction. Unless there's a law already on the books which says Americans can't buy cigs from outside the U.S. |
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by Tom
on Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:25 am |
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I read about some swiss companies making fake stamps too. I don't think yesmoke does that. I don't know how they get the US made RJRT products, but I know there's no stamp on them. People around here that make fake stamps usually get them from North Carolina. Maybe resellers around here buy crates of RJRT cigs from yesmoke and fill up their vans with only PM cigs. This way they save a trip to NC.
I just hope the govt realizes soon how much crime that these crazy excise taxes created. Pretty soon, if not already people will be killed for cigarette selling territory. I still am hesitant to fight excise taxes, becasue I fear my state will proceed with smoking bans if they're not getting tax money. |
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by Guest
on Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:40 am |
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would it make any difference if cigarettes that I ordered were HB, a brand that is not product of any of US tobacco manufacturers? i ordered just two boxes anyways... i've lost one parcel last year (4 boxes) and since than i didn't buy off the yessmoke for long time... ordered 2 boxes a month ago,received them, oredered another two... and now i find all this fine information online about cigs seisure from jfk... cr*p.
Tom - re paranoia about workplace and slightly different name... yeah, that would work if you wouldn't use your own ccard to make a transaction.
... i dunno, this is such a pain in the arse... i will go back to drum, i think. when i roll, i smoke less and it's cheaper. i can't believe all this i am going through as a smoker, it is shame that one administration so powerful, e.g. as one of nyc or ny state, spends so much fuggin energy trying to save me from myself while so many others are fuggin everybody else streight in the brains... i spent fuggin 4 years of siege in Sarajevo and i haven't quit smoking. yeah, it was tough, yeah, we smoked tea and everything else we could find, but i didn't quit. after several years of united states, i feel like quitting breathing, not just smoking. nyc is getting the last drop of blod from my veins and still sucking "more, more!". i can't believe that i smoke fuggin $ 250-300 a month. that's someone's friggin rent (if they're lucky enough not to live in nyc... where i pay 600 for a room). |
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by Tom
on Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:25 am |
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Quote: yeah, that would work if you wouldn't use your own ccard to make a transaction.
I know. The reason this works is because the indian reservations take money orders. I don't roll my own tobacco. I only inject into the filter tubes. Rolling just isn't the same. |
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by Guest
on Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:42 pm |
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| do you know where to buy cheap tobacco in/around nyc? i live in queens and use public transportation, so... nj is not such an option for me... unless it's dirty cheap, i guess. |
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by Tom
on Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:24 pm |
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| On Canel Street, right outside the exit to the ACE trains, 8th ave outside the port authority, in that long subway tunnel between times square and the port authority. There's lots of places. |
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by RICK is back
on Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:25 pm |
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by rick is back
on Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:30 pm |
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Do you deliver by couriers? (e.g.: DHL, UPS, TNT, etc.)?
Unfortunately no. We work with the SwissPost only.
So, clearly, the cigs in question were not in fact from yesmoke, but from another (probably less reputable) seller.... Perhaps even one of those terrorist groups they are now pegging internet sales on.
P.S./FYI - I'm sorry to have not posted in so long - my computer at home is down & I'm doing this at work (and don't have my password to login). Missed you all  Have a happy Thanksgiving & after dinner smoke  |
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