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by hum-smokers
on Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:20 am |
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We are all human being. Why do doctors do not take health problems seriously whenever the know you are a smoker. Even if you are dying, they will do a few quick tests and tell you that your problem is smoking. OK smoking is a factor of my problem, why do not you offer me treatment options. They do not answer this question. They keep telling you it is all about smoking. Well, being a smoker means that I need more comprehensive tests to rule out serious health problems. BBeing a smokers do not give the right to struggle and even die with taking my problem seriously. Not only doctors, but all of medical staff do the same. About 12 years ago, I had a very crazy abdominal pain. Every time I go to the ER, they send me home and tell me that the pain is caused by the effect of smoking on colon. After struggling for like 6 months, a good ultra sound technician had done ultra sound by his own (without a doctor request) and found a very big stone in gallbladder. It was caused because a problem in my weight loss diet. IT WAS NOT A SMOKING RELATED PROBLEM.
Who is responsible of such negligence. |
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by smokem
on Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:37 am |
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| The anti-smoking religion is responsible. It's simply unwise today to tell your doctor you smoke. You have to lie. Even if your primary doctor is sane (only remotely possible) most health workers certainly are not. Your honesty will catch up with you in the course of referrals. Start fresh with a new primary doctor. Report from the start that you don't smoke -- never had so much as one cigarette -- smoking never held the least interest for you -- and also that you've never lived or worked with anybody who smoked. Otherwise, no matter what your complaints may ever be, expect to be told you're suffering from your habit or somebody else's, and typically expect to be contemptuously dismissed with that advice alone. That's the way it is. Today, honesty on this subject gains nothing, and will cost you plenty, maybe your life. Would you tell a Nazi doctor that you were Jewish? |
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by gilster
on Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:35 am |
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smokem wrote: Would you tell a Nazi doctor that you were Jewish?
Wow, you're right....when you put it that way it is an eye opener.
I usually tell doctors I smoke WAY less than I do - but technically that's just like saying you are a little bit Jewish - or a little bit Pregnant.
Time to look for another doctor |
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by smokem
on Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:56 am |
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| You do have to lie and that's what I do now. I've read lots and lots of the "public health" literature about smoking and smokers. Do that and you'll never tell health workers the truth again. They do not believe we deserve care and eagerly await the day the last one of us drops dead. Sad but true. |
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by Murray B
on Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:48 am |
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[quote="smokem"]The anti-smoking religion is responsible. [/quote]
Sadly, smokem I think your explanation is too simple.
History repeats. but because most historians corrupt history most of the time it is hard to know what really happened.
First thing to remember is what President Theodore Roosevelt said,"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people."
He is talking about wealthy families influencing the political process. In the early twentieth century the U.S. government taxed the wealthy, broke up the trusts and created public utilities. This reduced the influence of the invisibles in the U.S. but not everywhere.
Now take a look at what the medical doctors were doing in Germany. Dr. H. Hanauske-Abel writes in a paper that can be found at <http://www.bmj.com/archive/7070nd3.htm>
He shows that the pseudo-science of Eugenics is strong,"In August 1932 the third international eugenics congress meets in New York and elects as its president Professor Ernst Rudin,(50) director of the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute of Psychiatry in Munich...Eugenics is conceived as a biological meta science of man, combining distinctly different disciplines like population statistics, genetics,anthropology, psychometric analysis, even history and religion into a form of preventive medicine that endeavours to define and eradicate inherited illnesses.”
He shows that Eugenics is not forces upon the doctors with, "The history of medicine this century is darkened by the downfall of the German medical profession, exposed during the doctors' trial at Nuremberg in 1946...The evidence presented here, however, strongly suggests that the German medical community set its own course in 1933. In some respects this course even out paced the new government, which had to rein in the profession's eager pursuit of enforced eugenic sterilisations. In 1933 the convergence of political, scientific, and economic forces dramatically changed the relationship between the medical community and the government. That same convergence is occurring again and must be approached with great caution if medicine is to remain focused on the preservation of physical and medical integrity.”
So the Nazis do not force the doctors into anything.
Then he writes,"In 1939 eugenic sterilisations of patients come to a halt. The T4 euthanasia programme is instituted, a nationwide, centralised, and peer reviewed programme to murder adult and paediatric patients..."
Wow, they were like meta-judges with the power to mass-murder innocents.
Eugenics was also big in North America but the invisibles did not have the power to get a T4 program.
Now that the taxes are removed from the wealthy, the trusts reformed, and the utilities privatized maybe the invisibles will finally have their program.
Anyway, I expect that the doctors of today are "setting their own course" just as the Nazi doctors did. The anti-smoker zealots are just idiots going the same way. |
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