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by dumpstermcnuggets
on Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:32 pm |
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I'm praying to god that this law to amend the Ohio ban does pass. What's the latest on the progress of this bill?
Not to mention, it's interesting to me that NKY antis(in the 3 counties south of Cincy) are trying to propose a 'regionwide' ban within those 3 counties. Amazing that idiot county commissioners are trying to propose this $**t, after what occurred throughout Ohio with their state ban. But I'm starting to become hopeful it won't occur, since I've already heard that both the Florence and Covington city councils voted in favor of resolutions to oppose any NKY regionwide ban proposals. |
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by Vickie
on Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:51 pm |
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I was reading a piece in the Cincinnati Enquirer* and they were saying how one of the Cincinnati landmarks had become the victim of all this anti-smoking clap trap. Western Bowl is as much of an emblem of the city as Fountain Square. It's as much a part of the West Side as Elder High School. OK? It's sacred.
However, when the anti smoking ban went in force two years ago, business tailed off badly. Real badly. Folks who used to flock to Western Bowl for a game or two with friend, a beer and a smoke now stopped going. That is unheard of. Smoking was so much a part of bowling and its congenial way that without that one activity, bowling ceased to be attractive.
Now the owner is trying to sell Western Bowl even if it is going to be torn down and replaced with some silly strip mall, or some cardboard condo or something.
Phfffft. Honestly, this anti smoking thing is just 100% cruel. Now it's become harmful to commerce. Well, I suppose that the perps are getting what they asked for. I am just sorry that the people who own hospitality enterprises are having to pay the price with their life savings.
Hope there is a change in anti smoking laws in Ohio.
*One of America's really really bad newspapers, by the way. |
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by CigarBoy
on Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:22 am |
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The smoking Nazis in N. Kentucky are a vote or two short in their efforts to ban smoing in the the three countries across from Cincy. There are several Republicans that have failed us, as have all the Crats on the county commissions in N. Kentucky.
The Nazis have said they will regroup and keep on fighting to ban smoking. These people wil not quite until they have their nanny state to control us.
The vote in the Ohio legislature will most likey come in November after the elections in a lame duck session.
BTW.................I went on my first date to Western Bowl. The place with its 68 lanes is a westside institution. |
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by Vickie
on Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:42 am |
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That just sounds so ominous...that the non smoking prigs are never going to give up. But I guess I don't understand why smokers don't mount an effective campaign to keep smoking legal and civilized in most places.
There was a movement but it never went anywhere back in 2006. Smokeless Ohio, I think it was called. They were financed by tobacco and were for keeping smoking areas in restaurants and other spots. But, even thought they seemed to have the money behind them, they failed. The opposition planted signs in yards and had much more of a presence. I never saw anyone with any support for Smokeless Ohio.
So, I just don't get it. With smokers' rights eroding, why don't smokers unite and put their point of view out there? The non smokers are just as busy and just as employed and just as short of cash, but they seem to really have an overwhelming presence.
I am not a smoker* but I am a person who believes that if it's legal then you should not be subjected to the restrictions that smokers have to fight. First it's smoking, then it's trans fats, then it's...what? Well, whatever they want. I am scared one day I will wake up and there will be a consumption tax put on us...that if you don't consume enough you will be taxed to make up for your selfish money hoarding (i.e. saving). Yea, and then you will have an army of bobble heads on your front porch lecturing you about "the children". Argggh.
*My family smokes, my best friend and a number of other people in my life smoke, too. It's their choice. I get more angry than they do about their restrictions. |
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by runamok
on Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:44 am |
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Vickie wrote: The non smokers are just as busy and just as employed and just as short of cash, but they seem to really have an overwhelming presence.
Most non-smokers didn't give a rat's ass about SHS but that is changing with all the propaganda being churned out by the anti organizations. |
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by Vickie
on Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:23 am |
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I hear you about the variety of organizations who are agitating to make smoking something "you can do but dare not do" but what about the smokers making their own point of view heard? I just have not noticed that there has been an effort to get that point across. Once there was a small campaign called something like "Can't we all get along?" and that one was aimed at people who wanted to have smoking sections in restaurants but that's about it.
I hate to see people bullied, that's all. There is nothing saying that you can't push back. I guess that was why I was so heartened by the idea that there was a movement to reinstate smoking sections in restaurants and bars (as there has been economic harm done to those owners). |
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by CigarBoy
on Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:13 pm |
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[quote="Vickie"]That just sounds so ominous...that the non smoking prigs are never going to give up. But I guess I don't understand why smokers don't mount an effective campaign to keep smoking legal and civilized in most places.
So, I just don't get it. With smokers' rights eroding, why don't smokers unite and put their point of view out there? The non smokers are just as busy and just as employed and just as short of cash, but they seem to really have an overwhelming presence.
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Well Vick that is politics today, the bullies seem to prevail. The problem with smokers is they don't vote in large enough numbers. In fact, as a group they are not engaged in the political process.
Second they are not all that bright. The smokers on here are sharpe but they are such a tiny percentage of the smoking populace, Most of the smokers in N. Ky have no idea they they are within a vote of losing their right to smoke indoors. Second a lot of smokers when they do vote, vote for politicans that are big government nanny state supporters, again not that bright
I had a bumper sticker that read More Americans smoke than voted for Clinton but a bunch of the smokers didn't vote in 1996 and a bunch voted for Clinton the most anti-smoking president in history. Again not that bright.
Also the Republicans better do this right after the election because I think they might lose control of the State House and/or Senate this November. |
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by Darkseid
on Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:33 am |
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| NOVEMBER?? "Lame-duck session"? (due to fear of the media, as I said)F^XK!!! You can forget it. Two of the 4 local stations have had 'editorials' against it now, and the local printed rag (Toledo Blade) has had THREE editorials slamming them for it (and it's only August). You can kiss this one goodbye as I said, due to stalling/f^8king around. Also, The ones who lose their cushy jobs won't give a f^ck then. Adios. It's OVER. The ban is here to stay and will never be amended, so get used to it. All this could have been avoided if the gutless repubs had voted a SENSIBLE limited statewide ban in before all this $hit started-but, that didn't happen, again, due to their no balls/fear of the media attitude. Remember I said this, CB. It's DONE. You either act on something or you don't. What was the first thing the cRATS did when they won the House in Michigan in 2006, in a state with a dying economy and many other serious problems? Yep-started to try to pass a smoker ban. Their party doesn't screw around-they just push their agendas and win. |
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by Vickie
on Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:09 am |
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Is it just that hopeless? There isn't anything that could stop all of the bans or roll them back? Nothing? Nothing at all?
I really hate to see people who believe passionately give up. I do think there is a point to be made over smoking and liberty. About how it's being taken away in small doses.
I am seeing that in my business now. It used to be unregulated. We regulated ourselves for a century. It worked great. Now someone is banging away at us, how we have to register and pay fees and have rules and the whole nine yards. I think part of it is the success of the cigarette bans and restrictions. If you can kill a culture (smoking) which thrived from 1900 to the 1970's, you can ban anything.
I just got through wasting three days investigating a ban they were putting on a type of ingredient which goes into my product. I don't use the harmful types of this ingredient (there are differences) but people just lump it all into one pile and start screaming.
And I do think it's the willingness of Americans to be led around because they just can't face fighting one more obstacle. It just makes me sad to see so many people tired and beat and feeling it's hopeless.
My two cents. I don't mean to insult anyone, I just am sad about it all. Real sad. |
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by Darkseid
on Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:47 pm |
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| Sure it could be fought-if the people against bans weren't so damned STUPID!! I'll give you some examples later, just too pi#sed off right now to do anything coherent. |
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