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by RetLeo99
on Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:04 pm |
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The [2] issues that were on the ballot in Ohio were nothing but confusing to the majority of the Voters. As a result you can't [legally] smoke in bars or any inside business. Pretty soon these "non-smoking geeks" will have it illegal to smoke in our homes, backyards, and even our cars.
Send these "Politically Correct" nosy radicals back to the West Coast where they came from.
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by gilster
on Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:48 am |
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Welcome to the Lobby Bob
RetLeo99 wrote: Pretty soon these "non-smoking geeks" will have it illegal to smoke in our homes, backyards, and even our cars.
Those things are already happening across the country and the world.
Quote: Send these "Politically Correct" nosy radicals back to the West Coast where they came from.
Too late, they've infiltrated the society, they need to be fought city by city, county by county, state by state and country by country. |
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by Bayta
on Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:17 am |
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| There is a problem with fighting this whole smoking ban issue, all of those 30 and under people have been brain washed. I have recently taken an interest in our public school system in this country, I must say I am distressed. When I was in high school (30 years ago, ugh) we were allowed a little civil disobedience ie, skipping school, smoking, etc. punishment for us was oh an hour detention, punishment today? Smoking a 125.00 ticket, skipping school a 75.00 truancy ticket. Our children now are being taught over and over again that they have no control, no power, no say in anything. We are raising children that will roll over and die rather then stand up and confront the issues. Our children have no real idea what freedom is or what rights are because no-one is teaching them. Our schools get them for 12 years and brain wash them to bow down to authority at all costs. What can we as a society expect then? Recently my 16 year old daughter had to do a current events article for school, she chose to use an article from Minnesota about theater nights, (we live in WI) she used the article to point out how this was about freedoms and not necessarily the smoking ban, she backed it up with other articles ie the one about obese people and the one about smoking in cars with young children in cars and also the one about banning fireplaces. It was a well put together presentation, personally I did not expect her to pass and neither did she, well we were partially right the teacher verbally told her it was very well done but when it came to grading it she recieved a D because he felt it was an inappropriate article to present in high school. Where are our children supposed to learn to debate hot topics with others if not in our public schools? They aren't once again it is another attempt at brainwashing our children to only pay attn to what the GOVT wants them to pay attn to. They want them to be healthy, and completely compliant to what the govt wants. What the govt wants is total control and I am afraid that this will soon be a reality because of the type of adults that will come out of this generation unless those of us that are over 30 really stand up and role model for them and reteach them how democracy works. |
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by gilster
on Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:48 am |
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Bayta, such a shame your daughter received a D because of the lock-step teacher's viewpoints muddling her work.
If she had written a report about Man Made Global Warming and dying polar bears she most certainly would have received an A+.
I'm starting to read the book 'Liberal Fascism', it's heavy-history but well worth it.
Parents today have their work cut out for them - deprogramming their kids brains to what is being taught in the school system. If you have the stomach for it...
So brave of your daughter to know she wouldn't pass and still doing the report, she will be a leader and not a follower lining up behind the world-view in lockstep.
But now she knows what she needs to do to get that piece of paper at the end of 12 years.
She will need to do that too if she goes further in her education[brainwashing] to get the next piece of paper [college degree]
When I was in college in the early 80's I had to deal with being ingrained with liberal ideals at my university. I fought the urge to join the groups, Earth Day, PETA, etc.
I kept my head down, went through the motions, put the lectures and studies in my brain just enough to pass the tests and then the information flowed right out of my head. The courses, even back in the 80's, were tainted. You got to do what you got to do.
Get the piece of paper and move on.
Knowledge is not acquired in the school systems of today.
Reading - Writing - Arithmetic OK
Knowledge comes from the gut. |
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by JohnC
on Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:58 am |
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Bayta,
First let me say Welcome---
I agree with most of your post -- been there done that 25-30 years ago 
I thought that we were a republic
democracy
The old story of 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what to have for lunch is democracy at work. A well armed sheep is freedom at work.
-J.C.- |
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by runamok
on Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:17 pm |
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Bayta....great post. You really hit the nail on the head.
"the teacher verbally told her it was very well done but when it came to grading it she recieved a D because he felt it was an inappropriate article to present in high school."
THAT burns my ass. Kinda curious if you plan on having any kind of a discussion about this with the teacher. |
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by Lynda F
on Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:49 am |
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runamok wrote:
THAT burns my ass. Kinda curious if you plan on having any kind of a discussion about this with the teacher.
I agree with this. My first reaction was just that........I'd have been having a talk with the teacher to find out exactly WHY the topic of the report was inappropriate. Can we say "censorship" here? |
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by RetLeo99
on Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:46 pm |
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Thanks gilster for the welcome to your forum. I just happened to stumble upon it while doing a Google search trying to find a part for my Top O Matic rolling machine.
Bayta, I know what you mean. I [ugh] graduated from high school 40 years ago this year. It wasn't amusing at the time, but I got 1 day of detention when a teacher asked for change and while emptying my pocket I was in possession of a cigarette lighter. They saw fit to search my locker for the incriminating cigarettes, which weren't there (they were locked in my car) but that wasn't the point. The reason I had the lighter to begin with was that I had an after school job in a tool shop and used it to light the cutting torch.
The hypocracy of the whole thing was when you walked past the Teacher's Lounge and one of them went in or out, you couldn't see inside, the smoke was so thick. A buddy of mine once pulled the fire alarm after walking past the lounge, explaining that he thought the room was on fire (didn't work, he still got 3 days suspension for it.
I'm a retired Police Officer, retiring in 1999 after 28 years [hence the screen name]. While I miss the job, I'm sorta glad to be retired. We had a busy area, with REAL crime to fight, and I just can't see taking a good hour out of my shift concentrating on a smoker. There's issuing the citation [10 min.], writing the accompanying Police Report [30-40 min.], confiscating the cigarette butt and placing it in an evidence envelope which has to be filled out [5-10 min.] and filling out the crime lab paperwork in triplicate [another 15 min.] and if I'm working day shift, driving downtown Dayton to the Lab and back [a good 30 min., more if I've got a line ahead of me.
There are some things that require attention. Busting a smoker is about as far down the list as you can get.
Reporting for day shift one winter morning, it was pretty cold and I was running a few minutes late. My cruiser hadn't been driven the night before, so I jumped out of my own car [I was smoking], jumped into the cold cruiser, started it and pulled it up on the line and got out. I was in the cruiser no more than 30 seconds, but ended up being "counselled" by Herr Sergeant for violating the non-smoking ban in City vehicles.
Gimme a f***ing break!!! |
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by CigarBoy
on Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:35 am |
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RetLeo.................as a Wright State grad I know the Dayton area well. Fortunately in Ohio the smoking ban carries a civil penality, not a criminal penalty, so the police do not have to enforce it yet. The only time a policeman gets invovled is if the owner of a bar tells a smoker to put out his smoke and he refuses.
I see it possibly moving to a criminal penalty at some point and then your scenerio could very well play out.
Also when I was in school in the late 70's we had a smoing area painted on the backtop outsdie of the school (Colerain HS in Cincy). Kids could smoke in the smoking area at lunch with a note from mommy on file in the office. Boy have times changed. |
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