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by STDog
on Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:10 pm |
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Jay wrote: With all due respect, the Jenkins act applies to somethang you mentioned in your post. Smuggling thangs from out of state. But it doesn't apply to the net because the net neva existed back then. Nobody can prove I'm buying anythang online with the intent of smuggling/bootlegging.
No, the Jenkins Act is not related to smuggling. It's interstate sales. Go read the law.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sup_01_15_10_10A.html
Quote: I used to buy more than 2 cartons offline easily for my personal use. Who the F said that I can only buy 2 cartons at a time offline?
You still can. You brought up a Tennessee law, that has a 2 carton limit on possession of out of state purchases. That law is to stop smuggling/black market sales.
Quote: You're the one who's acting like the Act is new, not me.
The original poster and the first few comments. 
That where I see people acting like this is a new law. It's just finally being followed.
Had everyone been reporting/paying the taxes they were legally obligated to pay it wouldn't matter.
Quote: Until I see some FAIRNESS on how net sales are treated (which includes reporting back taxes on ALL orders), you can't tell me the Jenkins Act applies to net purchases.
The Supreme Court (SCOTUS) nullified attempts to have retailers collect/report sales taxes for interstate sales. Talk to them about fairness.
Rest assures the states would love to have the sales/use taxes. They just don't have a leagal way to enforece payment, yet.
Quote: And what does making my own alcoholic drinks gotta do with my right to freely buy anythang online?
It was an example of how the law treats some things differently. Beer and wine are treated differently than whiskey.
Quote: Buyins stuff online is no different from buying it offline.
You're wrong there. There are many things you can buy at a local store that you cannot buy online as easily/simply.
If I give examples will you remember they are examples. Alcohol is one, firearms is another.
Quote: Do you think people give a crap about an Act that doesn't apply to online purchases? I heard of Acts that actually do apply to online purchases, but I don't know if they're set in stone.
Why do you think the Jenkins Act doesn't apply to internet sales? It applies to any sale where the purchaser is in a different state than the seller. How the order is placed or paid for doesn't matter. So whether it's on a web site, over the phone, or an order page you mail in, the act applied. Paying by sending cash, a money order, a check, with a credit card, or paypay doesn't matter either.
Quote: And suppose someone makes a purchase online using a stolen card under my name. Am I responsible for paying taxes on those CD's I neva bought myself?
No. you're not responsible for the fraudulent transaction . Just like if they went to the local CD shop and used the card.
Quote: I'm glad a Supreme Court prevents states from looking into purchases I made online otha than cigs. Because even though that CD purchases was made outta state based on an out-dated Jenkins Act, those were not illegal purchases I made.
No. The Jenkins act only applies to cigarette sales.
And I'm glad the states don't have information on purchases.
Quote: Actually, based on your logic, ALL online stores are illegal, and they should ALL be closed down.
Where the F*** did that come from?
I never said the sales were illegal.
I pointed out that sellers not reporting cigarette sales was illegal.
I also pointed out that you are required, but the state of Illinois to report your other purchases and remit the use tax for those purchases, and failure to do so is a felony in Illinois. Other states have different laws on this.
Quote: Don't be giving me that Jenkins Act excuse. Times were a lot different back then compared to modern times. Buying thangs outta state were more common for bootleggers/smugglers in those days.
Mail order catalogs were very common fro a long time. That was the only way to get many items in many areas. Even today, I cannot buy a lot of things locally as the stores just don't carry them. Internet sales are replacing mail order catalogs, but it's the same concept.
Quote: I'd laugh hard myself if someone bought a new car online, the person sees the new car, and then you hand him/her a form for reporting to his/her home state. That's the merchant's respnsiblity.
You get that form when you register the car in your home state. The DMV will charge you the taxes that you haven't paid yet. Trust me, I've bough cars out of state before. You'll also get charge taxes based on the sale between private parties too, again that happens when the vehicle is registered by the new owner.
I've got to go eat. I'll get to the other later...
BTW Jay. Can you please try to pay a little more attention to grammar and spelling?
It can be hard to figure out what you mean some times. |
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by Jay
on Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:22 pm |
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Oh I'm sorry, Mr. Anti disguised as a smoker. Nobody's perfect in this world including yourself. You sound VERY similar to "Tightwad" on Smokers Club forums. You like having discussions involving MYO. But yet, you asked on this forum "What is smokers rights?" as if you neva heard of that right in your life. There are so many rights you may not have heard of, it'll make you puke.
You also asked that Q in a way like there's no such thang as a right to smoke. But yet, you supposedly smoke yourself since you're in the MYO forum on this site.
Your conduct in this thread doesn't resemble a smoker (let alone somene who supports smokers rights) at all. One-line replies to my quotes (instead of in-depth replies). I'd like to believe you're close to my age. But I think you're actually younga than me.
You love to argue...a quality of an antismoker on a forum. If I'm wrong on that one, please explain why the heck do you keep replying to me in this thread. You keep replying in this thread as if you're the most intelligent person in this world. But you're just about as intelligent as a high schooler. You were even wrong about there not being shops where you can buy alcohol online.
I'm sure you can't buy drugs online eitha. But I dunno how that rebuts the fact that a consumer reporting online orders to the states is a sick joke from you. And it also doesn't explain why I have neva received back taxes for non-tobacco items I bought online several years ago.
I heard of antis posing as smokers in these forums. And you're no exception.
What did you eat for dinner? Like I give a sheet on what you ate. YOU said you can't buy alcohol online. Read it and weep, because you're wrong. That's just "one example."
http://www.absinthesupply.com/products/zele-premium.html?mv_pc=affiliateseo
Why would anyone buy a firearm online when you can buy one in the streets illegally? I even live near an actual gun shop.
Come back lata when you can give me a detailed reply to my quotes instead of one-line replies. You're proving more and more in this thread you're more of an anti than an actual smoker. |
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by Jay
on Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:36 pm |
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You can't buy firearms online? I don't believe there's an actual gun shop online like this.
http://www.thegunsource.com/store/
And I even spent time looking at the prices for the bad boys on this site. Some of these guns are cheapa than the guns in that gun shop near me.
But what did you tell me? Oh yeah...you can't buy alcohol and firearms online. Well, if you spend time Googling what you're looking to buy online, you might find what you're looking to buy.
I tried looking for a Legal page at that cited gun shop in regards to whetha or not they report orders, or if consumers are required to report orders themselves. I found no legal page on there. But I hope that person has to go through a long verification process before he/she can actually buy a gun at that online shop.
And the smoke shops are the ONLY shops online that even make references to the tax reporting topic (whetha the shop reports orders themselves or not).
Lemme know if it's possible to buy pets online. I definitely can't see buying pets online. |
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by Jay
on Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:53 pm |
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Quote: I also pointed out that you are required, but the state of Illinois to report your other purchases and remit the use tax for those purchases, and failure to do so is a felony in Illinois.
I think you mean BY the state of Illinois. Next time when you criticize me for any typos in my posts, you oughta spell-check your own posts so you won't look like a hypocrite.
But that's not the actual comment I wanted to make on this quote. If I'm required by the state of Illinois to report my otha purchases, then this "law" is not being enforced. When I take into account millions of people in Illinois buy thangs online that have nothing to do with tobacco.
I've seen lots of articles online dealing with smokers receiving back tax bills on online cig purchases. Can you find an online article about an online consumer who lives in IL AND he/she got arrested for committing a felony by not reporting say, the movies he/she bought online? It doesn't matta on what item he/she didn't report to IL (excluding tobacco purchases). That was only an example.
Because if somethang like that actually happened in IL, I wonder how come IL isn't going afta me for the felony I committed 2 years ago for not reporting the calendar and CDs I bought online. LOL!!! |
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by Jay
on Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:05 pm |
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There is one thang I'm definitely wrong on. You were NOT the poster who asked that stupid Q about "What is smokers rights?" That post is not in your post history, so you obviously never made it (someone else did instead).
BTW, I saw a typo in anotha post of yours from outside of this thread. |
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by STDog
on Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:17 pm |
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Jay wrote: The numba of holiday shoppers online has increased in recent years. Do these folks know they're making illegal purchases since they're not reporting those gifts that they buy online?
Again, the purchases are not illegal. But most states require the purchaser to pay sales tax on the purchases (often called a use tax).
Quote: But I guess this would be a greedy-A nation if state authoriites actually want to get their share of back taxes from a TV I bought online.
If you bough it from and online store that also has a physical presence in your sate you paid sales tax. Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Office Depot, Office Max, sear, J.C. Penney's
Go to their web sites, start and order and you'll see the tax in the total.
Quote: But if I'm gonna be an American, I should have the right to buy anythang with the money I made MYSELF. Reporting that money by April 15 makes sense. But reporting every single order I make online is in the same class as me not filing income taxes?
I'm just pointing out the law as it currently stands. BTW, in Illinois you just have to file once, for the whole year, unless you owe more than $600 in use taxes, that's $9230 in purchases.
Quote: If that's not a joke on reporting net purchases (and not just cig purchases),
I linked the actual form that you are supposed to file in the state of Illinois. Go read it yourself if you think it's a joke. It's on the Illinois department of revenue web site.
(You live in Chicago right?)
Quote: I'll bet a lotta money of the people who regularly shop online, 99 percent of them ain't aware they're supposed to report those orders. They would probably laugh at it.
Agreed. Same for mail order from catalogs, or TV adds.
But that's the law. It's on the books.
Quote: I'll actually be glad to pay any back taxes on cigs (if it comes to that). Sure beats the hell outta going out in public and paying 80 bucks.
And based on how much the brand costs, it would still be cheapa than 80 bucks/carton even if I apply those "back taxes" to the carton.
The Illinois tax was $0.98 per pack so you can probably get a good deal online.
Not like state that are $2+ per pack. |
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by Jay
on Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:29 pm |
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I'm sure if I buy somethang at the Wal-Mart site, I don't necessarily have to pick it up at a Wal-Mart near me. I can go to any Wal-Mart to pick it up, or have them deliver it straight to my home.
If I can't go to a Wal-Mart out of state, I can just have them deliever the order like my cartons. And if tax is included in the Wal-Mart order, THAT'S WHAT MAKES ONLINE SHOPPING NO DIFFERENT FROM OFFLINE SHOPPING...SAVES YOU TIME AND MONEY IN LEAVING YOUR HOUSE WHEN IT COMES TO SHOPPING AT A LOCAL STORE.
Caps for emphasis. And even if tax wasn't included, it's still convient to shop online.
Just because somethang is a law doesn't mean you have to follow it. And just because it's a law and "in the books" doesn't mean it will be enforced. Thee are several laws that are not enforced offline in Chicago. What would make this so-called law about reporting purchases online any different?
I'm still gonna buy anythang online as long as shops are legal online. It's illegal for a kid to buy cigs offline. That law is "in the books." But kids in the hood can buy packs with no problem. |
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by STDog
on Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:59 pm |
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Jay wrote: Oh I'm sorry, Mr. Anti disguised as a smoker
Rest assured I'm a smoker, probably longer than you've been alive. Since before I could legally purchase cigarettes and the price was less than $1 a pack.
Quote: You love to argue...
Yes I do.  Always have.
Quote: a quality of an antismoker on a forum. If I'm wrong on that one, please explain why the heck do you keep replying to me in this thread. You keep replying in this thread as if you're the most intelligent person in this world. But you're just about as intelligent as a high schooler.
Because I don't like seeing my words twisted and misconstrued.
I'm sorry if my actually pointing out the law in question bothers you.
Quote: You were even wrong about there not being shops where you can buy alcohol online.
I cannot. Neither can residents of:
Alabama
Arkansas
Arizona
Delaware
Georgia
Hawaii
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Maine
Maryland
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Montana
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Vermont
Wisconsin
Try it. Go to a site that sells wine, like Wine.com, http://www.wine.com/customercare/issue_view.asp?ID=11,
personalwine.com http://www.personalwine.com/catalog/site_faq.php#q3
or hartfordWines.com http://www.hartfordwines.com/order/
I know you don't care, but ribs, beans, and potatoes.
See my links above....
But the site you linked is in Canada. They don't seem to have the restriction posted. They may ignore them since they are not in the US.
Quote: Come back lata when you can give me a detailed reply to my quotes instead of one-line replies.
I seldom give one line responses.
Where did I give a one line response to you? The closest I came was a link to the Jenkins Act.Should I have pasted the entire text in the thread? I expected you could follow a link and read the text.
Try the "HOW TO BUY A GUN ONLINE" link at the top of the page
Firearms must be shipped to a licensed dealer, and you pick it up there.
That where the background check and state/local requirement get met.
But you cannot just order a firearm and have it sipped to you door. There are limits on what you can order. |
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by Jay
on Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:12 pm |
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Just confess you were wrong that you can't buy firearms and alcohol online, bozo. Who cares where the shop is located? If they deliever to the US, then they could be in France for all I care.
There ae lots of one line responses fro you. I don't need to identify them since you're an adult and you know how to read.
Here's a one-line response from you in the post right above mine.
Quote: Yes I do. Twisted Evil Always have.
And that's not even a reply to the full quote you cited. If you got a wife, I hope you don't argue with her. I wouldn't like a woman who loves to argue.
A woman who loves to argue needs to grow up and get a life. There's a difference between debating opinions and someone trying to force his/her opinions down my throats as actual facts. The former is a mature argument. The latter is a childish argument.
If a woman argues with me (or a man for that matta) and that person makes a similar comment to "Please check your spelling errors," I'll make sure he/she regrets insulting me in my face. Since I have the right to self-defend myself. I guess an offline comment would be like her/him calling me the N word that will make em wish they kept their mouth shut. |
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by STDog
on Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:29 pm |
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Jay wrote: Quote: I also pointed out that you are required, but the state of Illinois to report your other purchases and remit the use tax for those purchases, and failure to do so is a felony in Illinois.
I think you mean BY the state of Illinois. Next time when you criticize me for any typos in my posts, you oughta spell-check your own posts so you won't look like a hypocrite.
missed one. Spell check doesn't catch that since it is spelled right.
It was at the end, and was meant as a polite request. It would make reading you posts(here, on your blog, and other forums) easier.
Quote: But that's not the actual comment I wanted to make on this quote. If I'm required by the state of Illinois to report my otha purchases, then this "law" is not being enforced. When I take into account millions of people in Illinois buy thangs online that have nothing to do with tobacco.
I've seen lots of articles online dealing with smokers receiving back tax bills on online cig purchases. Can you find an online article about an online consumer who lives in IL AND he/she got arrested for committing a felony by not reporting say, the movies he/she bought online? It doesn't matta on what item he/she didn't report to IL (excluding tobacco purchases). That was only an example.
Like I said. The state currently cannot enforce the Use Tax on many purchases. That doesn't mean the law isn't there. And I merely stated what the penalty was. It's in the law if you go read it.
I don't know of anyone in any state being convicted for run-of-the-mill items subject to the Use Tax. Mainly because the state has no way to know about those purchases.
I did find these case documents on the Illinois Department of Revenue web site.
http://tax.illinois.gov/legalinformation/hearings/ut/
I haven't had time to read them yet.
I'll let you know if I find something. |
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