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by Tristeneugene on Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:34 am

What is the oppinion here regarding a law making it illegal to smoke in a private vehicle when a minor is present? If it is believed that it should be allowed, then why?

I believe that smoking should not occur in a car etc when minors are in it.

I really remember being around 8 years old in our car. My Mother smoked. She would yell at us kids for opening the car windows. Saying that her window was down. Didn't do that good. I remember being either on the floor of the car or lying on the seat trying to get away from the smoke. I don't care about wether or not second hand smoke is 'dangerous' or not, I simply remember it being stinky, the ashes coming back, swirling through the air and getting on me etc. These were my views when I was 8 years old.

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by JohnC on Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:43 am

" If it is believed that it should be allowed, then why? "

Why Not?

I keep a rear window down an inch or so (even while not smoking) and haven't had a complaint
SHS might be an irritant but as a study at our house has proved --- not harmful

The study showed that after 50+years of smoking around the wife (never smoked), for 40+yrs.There has been no problems other than mental----- I think she's Nuts Wink

-J.C.-

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by infinitethoughts on Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:50 pm

Tristeneugene wrote:

Tristan.
If you go to a Press conference concerning smoking, and a representative from Anti-smoking is there, and then you further ask that rep. to name ONE study that shows smoking AND second hand smoke is harmful, they will not be able to.

Why?

Because they do not exist. What does exist, are studies done in the 50's, and this studies were incomplete.

Further. Tests have been done on animals and smoking, (in the 50's) and not one time where they able to induce lung cancer in the test subjects.

Why then does everyone think smoking AND second hand smoke is harmful ?

Many reasons. One of them is what I said above. Another big reason is when the Tobacco co's. signed the Master Settlement Agreement (MSA) their lawyers advised them to admit that smoking causes lung cancer, even though this is incorrect.
The reason for this, in order to protect the Tobacco co's from future lawsuits from individuals.

The result of this decision is the atmosphere we have today regarding tobacco.

I also need to add we have a new player involved in the picture. Big Pharma. If you research, you'll find they are the one's backing most of the Anti-smoking groups.

Why?

Money. 1) The projected income from their Smoke-cessation products is mind boggling. 2) Tobacco cuts into their Profit from Illness defacto. Smoking keeps you healthier.

Finally, if you will stop and think about it, what is really causing all these diseases and cancers is not tobacco but rather the extreme Toxic Pollution of our atmosphere.

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by Tristeneugene on Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:45 am

Thank you both for responding. I do believe that SHS is not any more dangerous than being exposed to any other form of smoke or dust. It does seem that advocates and law makers are really trying to base legislation on SHS as well as FHS are dangerous. This is rediculously unfair. I am a normal joe and I see this. Both responses here to my post were quick to defend against claims of SHS as dangerous. I think it is horrible that the adv/leg folkes base their attack on this so strongly that those interested in defending their cause have to defend against it so strongly.

My thoughts on not smoking in vehicles with minors is mostly that kids won't complain really. Sometimes a passing swish with their hand, a dirty look or some other passive form of protest. I never really got pissed at my mother for it until I was in my 20's

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by BWilliams on Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:07 am

My father smoked in the car whenever we drove anywhere when we were kids. No one in my family even developed a cough, let alone asthma. And noone was ever angry or pissed, because kids don't care. I never became angry at him later, either, because it never hurt anyone.

Again, Second hand smoke is a lie - it doesn't harm anyone. The only thing to complain about is whether or not you like the smell of smoke. So, it is possible that some kids might complain about the smell of smoke, but they can't complain about any danger. And in this day and age if the worst thing his parents ever do to their kid is make them endure the smell of smoke during a car trip, than that is going to be one amazingly blessed and loved child.

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by Tristeneugene on Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:16 am

The SHS issue is not the point here. forget it. It is not the driving force behind Anti-smoking leg.

You said 'kids don't care'. You are scratching the surface of the reason minors need to be protected. Kids don't care as you say because their undeveloped mind does not yet comprehend consequenses. An example: A 7 year old says to his parents that he wants a tattoo. A real one! the parent explains that this tattoo will be permanent etc and finishes with asking the child if it is still wanted. What do you think the child would say?

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by Tristeneugene on Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:32 am

I read on another site where some claim stated that a baby in a car exposed to circulating or standing SHS is at a signifigantly higher risk of becoming ill due to their lungs being so fragile and undeveloped., that in any case SHS in a 'car' is 10 times more effectivethan in a 'house.
The argument went on to explain how wether it is cig smoke or smoke from any other burning matter it is still minute particulate matter that is forced to be taken in. This matter will then cause various reactions within the lungs such as cell overgrowth to other forms of attempted matter rejection.

Part of this information was on a site where recent legislation makes it illegal to smoke in a car with minors present. I believe it was Maine.

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by BWilliams on Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:55 pm

Tristeneugene wrote:

It's all BS. Think about it - *every* generation for the last century grew up with about 30-40% of the entire child population exposed to second hand smoke in cars. Wouldn't there be rampant lung and respitory problems in our adults today if it was so harmful?

About 40% of all the kids' parents at my school smoked when I was a kid (either one or both parents). Yet there was only 2 kids in my entire school who had to carry inhalers around with them for asthma. It is all lies, lies lies!!!

THERE IS NO SECONDHAND SMOKE DANGER TO CHILDREN IN CARS

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by Tristeneugene on Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:34 pm

I going to reply to this by starting another thread in ''Smokers rights''.

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by STDog on Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:43 pm

Tristeneugene wrote:

What is the oppinion here regarding a law making it illegal to smoke in a private vehicle when a minor is present? If it is believed that it should be allowed, then why?

My view is the same as with any other private property. My car or my house, no difference. As long as it dos not pose a significant danger to other vehicles and/or their occupants.

Any one in my vehicle is there by choice. If they are not old enough to make that choice then someone with legal authority to do so has. So, me for my kids, and the parents of any child that might ride with me.

You have ever right to restrict what I do on your property,. That where you make the rules. But not my property.

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I believe that smoking should not occur in a car etc when minors are in it.

And that your choice for your car. And you can decide that for your kids since you control what vehicles they are in.

But jut because you didn't like something your parents did is not a valid reason to interfere with others.

Just like banning corporal punishment. Some people abuse things but not everyone (or even most) does.

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