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by Tristeneugene
on Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:37 am |
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At this point it really seems as if everyone is looking for an excuse to go after smokers. There is one thing I see that could help against it. It is obvious that throwing butts on the ground is not considered littlering. That it has become acceptable. If smokers would not throw butts on the ground it would incredibly impact the whole thing!
Why and how is it that this has come to be over the years? You can watch a silent movie from the 1920's and you will see someone throw a butt to the ground. Why do smokers do it? I have had friends that refuse to do it. They crush it out and put it in the trash or their pocket for later disposal. I think that if more people would do this is would really help! In Hong Kong there are NO butts on the ground!!! There is a heavy fine for throwing a butt on the ground. It is treated as littlering. There are over 6 million people in Hong Kong!!
What about sending a message to all smokers to begin doing this? A message saying that all smokers should begin this practice? Not for any reason except it is the cleaner alternative in todays busy world.
Would this help? |
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by runamok
on Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:18 am |
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So you think they'd go easier on us if all smokers properly disposed of butts? That they'd quit pushing for more bans..... in our cars and homes?
Wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. |
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by smallbird
on Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:40 pm |
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you know runamok? It really does make a difference! I pick up other people's smoking residue as a matter of course (my choice). Different other people have noted I do this, and they started doing it also. Eventually, IMHO, we will be seen as real people again...
Maybe I'm wrong, but I keep hoping. |
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by runamok
on Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:03 am |
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Hey, I'm not advocating littering. I'm just saying that it's not a factor in any way whatsoever as far as anti-tobacco's jihad.
If ne'er a butt had ever been improperly disposed of, we'd still be looking at bans expanding into people's cars and homes. |
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by Jay
on Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:35 am |
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Throwing butts on the ground ain't littering. Smokers have been throwing butts on the ground for years while outside. Even in the days when smoking was actually allowed inside of places....I bet you would still see butts on the ground when people smoked outside!
If an anti doesn't like seeing butts on the ground, sweep em up. a-holes. Or pay to get ashtrays installed on the corner of every street/intersection. |
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by Jay
on Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:39 am |
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| If dropping a butt is littering, then would it also be littering if I drop a dime or two on the ground? |
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by smallbird
on Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:55 pm |
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IMHO! Being a good citizen in public is still important! I also pick up McDonald's trash and Burger King trash and other crap (as long as it isn't road kill) and find the nearest trash receptacle. While smoking! My own version of passive aggressive behavior!  |
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by Tristeneugene
on Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:16 am |
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| Everybody here! You want to know one of the primary reasons smokers are being attacked in such force?! This,, person that posted here above called 'Jay'. This person does not need to be posting here. This type of behavoir causes more harm than good. Just observe how 'Jay' responds to THIS post and qualifies my point. |
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by Tristeneugene
on Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:24 am |
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Getting back to the point. I believe it would make a difference. Butts are composed of materials that make them very obvious and quite resilient to decomposition.
Why are they thrown to the ground? I believe this to be because it is something that is burning. One cannot simply throw them away in a bin or place them in a pocket like a candy wrapper. It requires several tedious steps. 1- exstinguish it in a particular manner, 2- Clean it up to a degree, 3- place in bin/pocket etc. It is a involved effort.
Remember! Butts of yesteryear were only light paper and finely shredded tobacco. |
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by Lynda F
on Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:31 am |
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For centuries, there were NO ash cans in front of businesses. Hell, even when you could smoke in stores there were NO ash cans in the store. Throwing butts on the ground was part of the deal then.
In NYC there were very few, if any, ash cans in front of businesses. Butts on the ground was such a way of life that when offices went smoke free no one considered putting ash cans out in front of the building. I think they thought they'd just get stolen as anything in NYC that isn't nailed down gets stolen (even if is nailed down there's always someone who will find a way to steal it).
When I moved to Phoenix, I was amazed at the number of ashcans in front of businesses. It was wonderful and I didn't understand why so very few cities adopted such a habit. Last year a smoking ban became law statewide. All of a sudden the ashcans are gone, except in a few places. Now tell me.........you don't want butts on the ground, you take away an ash can that was always there..............what kind of sense does that make? Now, when I go grocery shopping I make sure I'm smoking as I get to the store, so I can deliberately throw my butt on the ground since they totally removed (not moved) the ash cans.
In other words...........the ban movement pushed us to this deliberate act. The laws don't say that exterior ash cans have to be gone, only ashtray INSIDE the business. Business owners or mall owners who then remove exterior ash cans completely, deserve to have to clean up butts. In my not so humble opinion. |
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