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by Jay
on Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:17 pm |
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I think there are some flaws in this brief report.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23075001/?GT1=10856
1) What the heck is a teen chick doing in a bar period?
2) Asthma can be triggered by a lot of thangs.
3) What was this female thinking when she applied for the waitress job in a smoke-filled bar? Someone with asthma shouldn't be working in a smoke-filled bar period.
4) If she tried applying for a job in a bar over here, she would need a fake ID. Because according to my understanding, under-21 folks ain't allowed to work in bars within IL. Or at least bars in the Chicago area. She might get hired in a restaurant which includes a bar. But I bet she would be prohibited from entering the bar area of a business like that in IL.
This is the first article I read about SHS killing anyone. But I think this article has flaws. And no disrespect to her family. But she picked the WRONG place to work at with her asthma! |
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by Jay
on Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:35 pm |
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Smoky bar triggered fatal asthma attack
First case of secondhand smoke causing an immediate death, study says
updated 5:38 p.m. CT, Fri., Feb. 8, 2008
A woman in her late teens died from an acute asthma attack triggered by secondhand cigarette smoke shortly after arriving at her job as a waitress in a bar in Michigan, researchers reported on Friday.
They said it was the first reported case of an immediate death caused by secondhand smoke.
“She didn’t have any other possible known causes of death,” said Dr. Kenneth Rosenman, a Michigan State University professor who oversees three state public health surveillance systems.
Cigarette smoke is known to trigger acute asthma attacks.
“We know that particulate levels from secondhand cigarette smoke in bars like this reach sufficient levels to set off an asthma attack,” Rosenman said.
He said the woman was a student who had a job at a fast-food restaurant, and worked a second job as a waitress at the bar. “She was perfectly fine when she went to work,” Rosenman said in a telephone interview.
“After about 15 minutes, she had an acute asthma attack and collapsed on the floor. The autopsy clearly indicates she died from asthma,” said Rosenman, who would not disclose the woman’s name or the precise place and time of her death for privacy reasons.
Rosenman said the woman had asthma since age 2. Her asthma was poorly controlled. She had made four visits to her doctor in the year before her death for flare-ups, and had been treated in a hospital emergency department two to three times that year.
Although she had prescriptions for an assortment of drugs to prevent and treat asthma attacks, she was reported to only use them when she was having breathing difficulty.
On the evening of her death, she had no inhaler with her. When she became sick, she told the bar manager she needed to go to the hospital, then collapsed on the dance floor.
Bar patrons offered an inhaler and the woman tried to use it, but could not. Emergency response workers were unable to revive her and she died shortly thereafter.
Rosenman, who wrote about the case in the American Journal of Industrial Medicine, said 24 U.S. states prohibit smoking in public places such as bars. A number of other states, including Michigan, are considering it.
He said a smoking ban could prevent future deaths.
Secondhand smoke causes about 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 46,000 heart disease deaths in adult non-smokers in the United States each year, according to the American Lung Association.
“There are a lot of statistics out there about secondhand smoke. Here is a human face. She died acutely. It is a tragic death,” Rosenman said. |
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by Cantiloper
on Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:01 am |
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Don't make the mistake of blaming the poor girl who died for anything. Her death is simply being abused by the antismoking lobby. She had asthma, and asthma has many different sorts of "triggers" for different people. It's unlikely that smoke was a trigger for her since she was regularly working in a bar that would get much smokier in the course of an evening than it was at that early point (remember, the DJ was still "setting up") and she said nothing about smoke.
The smoke connection is purely a concoction by antismoking extremists seeking to take advantage of her unfortunate and sad death. It's just a small variation on the abusive game they play with children, using them as weapons against their parents. The idea is to present a puppy dog in the hope that someone will kick it and make themselves look bad.
She had an asthma attack and it happened by pure chance that it occurred while she was at work in a bar. It could just as easily have happened out on a bar patio in the winter (at which point a "lack of patio heaters" could have been blamed), as she was parking her car in a parking garage (at which point the anti-car folks could claim she was killed by automobile fumes), or after she'd jogged (asthma attacks ARE often brought on by exercise you know).
Her death is simply being exploited, much to the harm and detriment of the people she worked with who were probably her friends, and much to the potential advantage of lawyers who will seek to cash in either on her death or on similar ones that occur in ANY situation where smoking is allowed... regardless of exposure or whether the victim was a quiet smoker him/herself. Antismokiing lobbyists have been pushing the concept of fear at employers for a long time: "Your employees will SUE you when they get sick from ETS!" and this is just another chip in the game to them. They care nothing for the people involved.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"
www.TheTruthIsALie.com |
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by ladyteal
on Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:48 pm |
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The fact of the matter is that this actually happened in 2004.
The MIFACE investigation took place WELL after the fact, and the antismoking media only picked it up in early February. But that is the incident.
Notice that they say throughout the document that the girl died of the asthma attack, and point out that she dies of "status asthmaticus".
But the part where her father tells of her problems before she arrived at work is what kills it for the antis...
"According to the medical examiner's report, the victim's father had seen her at 9:30 p.m. and stated she was having breathing problems at that time." She arrived at work 15 minutes later.
http://www.oem.msu.edu/MiFace/04MI223%20Investigation%20Reportrev8_1_07.pdf |
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by gilster
on Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:45 am |
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Thanks for the report ladyteal - I've posted it around  |
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by Jay
on Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:37 am |
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So antis are trying to take an old death from 4 years ago, recycle it, and pass it off as actual news!
If they gotta dig deep to find a death to support an argument that MI needs a statewide ban, what the F happened to those "53,000" nonsmokers who die from SHS every year? I'd think you can find a death from that list of 53,000 instead of resorting to a death from 4 years ago.
Can't find a death on that list of 53,000 nonsmokers? Maybe that's because that list of SHS deaths is FAKE AS H**L! |
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by jsidney
on Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:08 am |
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Anyone here seen the movie "Wag The Dog"?
The first appearance (Feb. 7, 2008) of this "news story" was a press release from the Michigan State University newsroom (ie. a blurb) telling the press their boy, Professor K. Rosenman, had a report published in the February issue of the American Journal of Industrial Medicine, plus extremist propaganda to go with.
The actual incident had occurred on May 1, 2004, almost four years earlier.
So why did Dr. Rosenman wait four year to deliver the earth-shattering news of the very first recorded death by secondhand smoke?
Google the Michigan smoking ban news. In early December, 2007, a bar/restaurant smoking ban bill was passed by the Michigan House. The bill was then sent to the Michigan Senate which shunted it into a committee headed by Majority Leader Mike Bishop, who opposes it. According to the Lansing-based Campaign for Smokefree Air, "Mr Bishop has said he will not only not allow the bill to be voted on, it will not even get a hearing."
On January 25, 2008, the Campaign for Smokefree Air launched a super-dooper YouTube publicity campaign to force the Michigan Senate to revive the bill and pass it. Motive revealed.
We know that an unnamed 19-year-old black woman died suddenly 15 minutes after she entered a bar where she had worked for three months and that the cause of death stated on the death certificate was "status asthmaticus". This incident must have hit the newspapers somewhere in Michigan on May 1, 2004. Do we have any gifted forensic computer nerds out there who can get the real story? |
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by Cantiloper
on Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:07 am |
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Wag The Dog! Excellent catch Jsidney... VERY true.
Lying in various ways through the media for their political ends is nothing at all new to the antismoking lobby.
Every two years or so you'll see "NEW RESEARCH" showing that secondhand smoke causes cavities, that smokers are killing their pets, or smoke is breaking people's computers.
When you track the stories down though it turns out that usually they're just recycled from the same story published two years earlier. And when you keep tracking it back to whatever the actual study was, you usually find out that the original was twisted and bent all the hellandhereafterandback in creating the paid press release that became the story foundation.
For example, the "secondhand smoke and cavities" story.
Five years ago I sent the following email to an internet poster:
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You wrote: "Now they're also trying to say that... "Children that are around second hand smoke tend to have dental problems""
Actually this is a propaganda "study" by a guy named "Aligne" and if you look it up on Google you'll find that he re-releases it through paid press releases EVERY year around Great American Smokeout Day. There are a LOT of lies out there if you know enough to look for them.
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More recently, there was a story about a year ago about a "new" study on secondhand smoke and cavities. I tracked it down and dicscovered that it had been done on RATS. Not only that, but he amount of smoke the rats were subjected to several times a day was the equivalent of burning over 100 cigarettes inside of a SEALED PHONE BOOTH !
When all was said and done and they finally put the poor animals out of their misery ( sheeesh.... where was the SPCA??? ) they discovered that the rats had more than the average amount of gum inflammation.
Another example, one I used in Brains, p. 201:
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A tip-off when reading a press release is to check whether it was released by an organization through public relations out-lets. These companies will print and release just about anything, as long as the ones who wrote the release are willing to pay a few thousand dollars for the service. When a well-heeled Crusading group wants to make a media splash with a new campaign they’ll simply arrange for a cascade of “news stories” to appear through such outlets, highlighting various aspects of an issue or rehash-ing old news as if it were new.
A classic example of this came in the summer of 2002 when the Coalition for World No Tobacco Day (supported by such unbiased Coalition members as Glaxo-Smith Kline, the maker of the stop-smoking aid Zyban) paid for close to a dozen press releases citing the news that fire departments in various cities were banning smoking for the day. In a PR campaign that lasted for over three weeks, timed releases were put out supposedly reporting the news from different fire departments around the country that were planning to ban smoking for that day (See, e.g. Pittsburgh PRNewswire 05/28/02, Austin PRNewswire 05/06/02, Indianapolis PRNewswire 05/21/02 among others).
However, if one bothered to cross check the different stories, one found that all the fire officials and health officials in Pittsburgh, Austin, Minneapolis, Indianapolis and other cities just happened to say exactly the same boilerplate statements without even a word being changed. Either our public service departments have all been taken over by identical alien clones or someone was playing very loose with the facts in these “news releases.”
Check the bottom lines of news stories to see where they came from. If they’re from a non-profit or government-sponsored group that’s been flush with smokers’ money from the Master Settlement Agreement, get the extra-large salt-shaker ready. Of course there’s no such red flag when a real, though irresponsible, reporter transmits a by-lined story that’s simply based entirely upon such paid propaganda releases.
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Smoking bans are bad laws based upon lies: they deserve no more respect than the informers and enforcers that make them possible. |
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by solamiy
on Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:11 pm |
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There are about 4000 asthma deaths every year from a variety of causes.
I've never seen a story about dust or pollen or exercise being banned
because they kill asthmatics. Lets face it, this woman died of asthma,
not smoke. |
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