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by JohnC
on Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:18 am |
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http://www.ryomagazine.com/injectors.htm
Electric Injectors
I suppose even with 3 minute packs possible with a good cranker like reviewed above, some folks will want even more ease of use. We get lots of letters about electric injectors (which by the way are really not much faster or even any faster than the crankers). However, we also get letters from folks with certain disabilities that prevent them from using two hands to hold down a crank style. There are ways to build a platform holder to grasp the machine that will hold a Supermatic or TOP-O-Matic in place well enough to use it one handed. But there still remains the problem of how a one handed person is going to build such a holder. There is only one machine (and we've seen them all and tested them all extensively now), that really works. It works even better than the best crankstyles, and is nearly as portable. The others, for the most part, we will not mention here. They know who they are and many of our readers know who they are as well. Suffice it to say, I honestly thought that a truly useful and cost effective (big consideration) electric was likely still years away. The worm drive Easy Roller-like injectors that we looked at has changed from a plastic auger to a spring auger but still turns too fast and thus chops the tobacco such that it will fall out of the tube. Even very moist tobacco won't stay put for long. If you smoke the stick immediately some of these machines might satisfy but a newer, smaller and less expensive machine of that design, the Fast-Filler, is the closest to being able to put tobacco in and keep it there - for a while at least and its price is likely to be much less than any of its current competitors. After extensive (weeks) testing, we produced a private, highly detailed video for the manufacturer and distributor to help them optimize this machine and if they do, it will work likely quite well and at a price that won't offend. The other machine we mentioned in past Injector pages that costs a ridiculous amount of money, we have yet to see function as advertised and, not doing negative reviews, we will leave it at that. We've seen several samples (none from the manufacturer) and none fill completely or put the tobacco in the tube such that it will stay put as well as any of the above crankstyles. We simply say this. Until now - right now, we have yet to see an electric worth the money or effort.
HOWEVER . . .there is one - of a radically new design and it will be available soon - in the next month or so - that we mentioned above. We have a video on it now in our MultiMedia section and will show some graphics below for those that don't have broadband. This machine is so new and different that when one of the principals of the company that makes it approached me at our TobaccoExpo 2007 booth in April, my first reaction was Oh Crap - not another electric. I was very busy with scores other people so while I yapped on, this man waited for over an hour to see me. This should have told me something but even I sometimes have biases that are hard to overcome. Fortunately, he did wait and we had his machine at the booth for the remainder of the show. I cannot begin to tell you how much attention it grabbed. I made over 1,000 sticks with it over the next few hours and every person who witnessed this display wanted one. They did not even care what the cost. They wanted it. Why you may ask, - well what follows should explain the excitement.
The Magnum Injector
Back in 2001 when I met extensively with Arnold Kastner at the CTC facility in Montreal, we spent literally whole days brainstorming on possible injector designs. Arnold (who recently passed away - you will find a memorial to this genius and valued friend in our Review Section in the next couple of weeks) pretty much created the platform that transformed the original LaFrancaise French injector to the path of its current design, the Supermatic. His father first brought it in to North America but Arnold's engineering powers really got this whole industry going. There has been no greater pivotal influence on MYO/CMC than Arnold Kastner - period.
During our discussions, there were a number of questions I had as to certain elements of injector design that seemed to me rather dated or at least pretty staid. The first was the spoon and the second was the strategy of one motion injection. Some of Arnold's earlier designs for mass producing cigarettes by cheap labor in China were units that had a separate compression stroke. The injection stroke was a separate operation as well and by separating these two functions, a much more robust machine could be built. Millions of cigarettes we made by workers using these machines (at right) and put into packs. Arnold told me that this was in the late 30s. Most everything, especially the compression stroke, worked in one plane, in other words a straight line. Because the compression is the most energy intensive part of injecting, his machine, a single stroke, allowed one to compress the tobacco incredibly well. In fact, you could crush nearly anything in this vice like design. The injection stroke was a simplified dual lever (more like an Excel) but had great strength and leverage as well. However, what we focused on, given that the compression stroke was easily accomplished from a design standpoint, was why not make the injection part of the system a straight line as well. Even more to the point, why not make the already tightly and accurately compressed roll of tobacco (if you will) the only thing that enters the tube. No spoon to take up space as it carries the tobacco into the tube - no spoon to drag out some of the tobacco as it leaves the tube. Simply a push rod to smoothly push the tight tobacco roll such that the tube would not begin to release until the tobacco itself was tightly compressed against the filter plug.
Has anyone seen one up close and personal?
Should be on the market shortly.
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by gilster
on Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:50 am |
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by JohnC
on Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:21 am |
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Thanks gilster,
Sounds like I should've had my B.S. meter plugged in 
I don't know if Doug (ryo mag) has any money invested or not --- it would explain the difference in opinions.
We know what happened to Vera Cruz papers when cost cutting was involved.
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by gilster
on Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:40 am |
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Doug hasn't updated his site in Months - I wonder what's going on with him?
OT - Injected around 3 cartons of tubes with my new Topomatic
So Far- So Good, seems a better machine and easier cranking.
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by alist
on Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:49 am |
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gilster wrote:
OT - Injected around 3 cartons of tubes with my new Topomatic
Having read all of the reviews of the various injectors on the SYO forums, I decided on the Topomatic, primarily because it could make 100s and kings, but also because the owner reviews seemed more favorable than other injectors on the market. Of course, I now know I will never EVER make 100s with it, given that the kings seem to burn for 20 minutes!
I am considering purchasing a Supermatic II as a backup. (It would be really nice to get the handheld injector free as well). The only thing that concerns me is the case on this model is plastic, if I remember correctly, which is also why I chose the Topomatic, whose case is all metal. |
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by gilster
on Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:04 pm |
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Alist, out of the premier line, the Supermatic 11 worked best for me - and it is Metal.
So far so good on the Topomatic- seems a better injection mechanism.
I started out on the blue premier machine [plastic] and injected so heavy I broke it within months - my cigs would last for 15 minutes.
Now I loose-pack the tubes and they last less than a pre-made, but that's fine for me. I also tamp down 10 or so at a time and rip off the empty paper ends as I use- good for stepping out for a quick smoke when needed in inhospitable climates.
Alist, have you ever lit an empty tube, burns down pretty neatly and freaks out antis who watch in formerly smoker-friendly venues...
'It's not a cigarette-it's a piece of paper' .....HeHeHe |
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by alist
on Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:31 pm |
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gilster wrote: the Supermatic 11 worked best for me - and it is Metal.
I am not sure if my information is incorrect or perhaps they changed the models. I was sure one of them had a plastic case.
gilster wrote:
Alist, have you ever lit an empty tube, burns down pretty neatly and freaks out antis who watch in formerly smoker-friendly venues...
'It's not a cigarette-it's a piece of paper' .....HeHeHe
HA! I will remember that one for down the road. I don't run across many vehement antis here, since I live in a tobacco state in the deep south presently. |
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by JohnC
on Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:49 am |
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http://www.ryocigarette.com/shaudestat10.html
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Anybody seen one of these yet?
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