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by Junge
on Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:04 pm |
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High Folks!
These liberal socialist nazis in Oregon will raise my cig tax another 84 cents a pack in November...if I had ever paid it that is.
I still have a fair smokes supply remaining from my last trip to Kentucky.
Still these won't last forever and I might need more before I go back east again.
I plan on getting a The Supermatic Steel Machine ($67.00) and would appreciate your thoughs on this machine.
Are there any other "automatic rollers" I should consider? If so, Why?
How are cigarette tubes and bulk tobacco taxed? I have seen these for sale at various stores and the low cost seems to indicate the taxes are low on these items.
Is it safe to order bulk roll your own supplies online from non or low taxed bulk tobacco states?
What else do I need to consider?
BTW...the Oregon tax is supposed to fund a new kids health plan. ..yeah..for illegal immigrants. Thats is funny and I kinda hope these idiots in Oregon do pass it. I never have paid the Oregon cig tax and won't begin now. If they raise it 84 cents pack I just figure I'll just be saving another $ 8.40 a carton. The health plan will become wriiten into the state constitution and so can never be withdrawn. The new expected revenues (in fact they will go down as smokers find alternates sources) will never come close to covering the cost of the massive new spending so the nonsmoking Oregunner tax payers are gonna have themselves another annus reamed...good enough for the dopes. I've arranged my finanaces so that the taxes I do pay here are minimal.
I think I might even get a couple of illegal immigrants to roll my smokes for me. They would probably do it for 1 pack out of each 5
rolled...what irony! 
Any how thanks in advance for your advice! |
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by gilster
on Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:00 pm |
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Welcome to the World of MYO/RYO
Check out all the posts written in this section of the forum = lots of good stuff....
I've tried cheaper tobacco and don't like it - I stick to American Spirit and I'll try other 'natural' tobacco when I bump into them.
Tubes are going to be a big guage in how the cig performs for you...I suggest trying a carton of different ones at first to see how you like each one - they are only around $3 a carton - so no great loss if you don't like them [actually, give the tubes you don't like to your illegal rollers...LOL]
The website bible on RYO/MYO is here:
http://www.ryomagazine.com/
Lots of reviews - videos on how to inject tobacco - a whole host of information.
Loose tobacco is Taxed...but at a far lower level than pre-made cigarettes [I think they base it on pipe tobacco rankings]
I'm internet order paranoid on cigs, so if you can find a tobacconist in your area that can order product for you - the better- in my opinion....and always pay In Cash.
Good to see you back on the forum here. |
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by alist
on Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:03 pm |
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Howdy! I have been stuffing my own since the first of September 2007. I can't ever go back to premades now, and it's NOT because of the difference in cost.
Junge wrote:
I plan on getting a The Supermatic Steel Machine ($67.00) and would appreciate your thoughs on this machine. Are there any other "automatic rollers" I should consider? If so, Why?
I read reviews of all of the different machines and settled on the Topomatic. Your choice should not necessarily be mine, however. I would recommend you read product reviews yourself. If you check the Stuff Your Own Forums Injector Reviews, you can read reviews written by actual purchasers and make an informed decision. They also have user reviews of assorted tobaccos, tubes, etc. It's literally a gold mine for someone getting into this.
Junge wrote:
How are cigarette tubes and bulk tobacco taxed?
The tobacco is marked 'tax class J.'
Junge wrote:
I have seen these for sale at various stores and the low cost seems to indicate the taxes are low on these items.
This website notes the following on a one pound bag of tobacco;
"PRICE INCLUDES $1.94 STATE AND FEDERAL TOBACCO EXCISE TAX!!"
I do not shop there. There are much better tobaccos than Golden Harvest, in my opinion.
Junge wrote:
Is it safe to order bulk roll your own supplies online from non or low taxed bulk tobacco states?
I have no idea. Some say only buy locally and always pay cash so that nothing can be traced.
Junge wrote:
What else do I need to consider?
Here are my personal opinions based on my experiences since September 2007:
1. Forget trying to duplicate the taste of whatever brand you presently smoke.
2. Ignore #1, because you are going to ignore it anyway.
3. Cheaper is not always best, although sometimes you might be surprised.
4.. Don't buy a pound of some tobacco you have never tasted.
5. Test small quantities of tobacco you have never tasted.
6. American Thrust sells one ounce samples of many tobaccos for $1.
7. If you can't buy small samples, you might instead try 3.5 oz samples from D & R, while other flavors of those 3.5 oz samples can be found here as well.
8. Barring #5 & #6 above, stick to 6 oz. bags.
9. Don't be afraid to mix and blend small amounts of different tobaccos. If you have small measuring spoons, you can blend small amounts of different tobaccos to make one or two sticks to test.
10. Don't decide a blend will work unless you have smoked it for 24 hours. With some tobaccos, for me at least, odd after tastes aren't noticed unless I smoke them for at least one day.
11. Be prepared to find some tobaccos to be only so-so or even bad, while many others will surpass any cigarette you have smoked throughout your life.
12. Pay no mind to what other's say regarding the taste of different tobaccos. Just because I think Gambler is the worse tobacco in the world, and find Farmer's Gold to taste like lawn clippings and Golden Harvest to have an odd, though faint, aftertaste, does not mean you will necessarily find the same to be true. Everyone's taste is different. For example, my sister LOVED the Gambler, while my friends detected no aftertaste at all from Golden Harvest, once it was blended into a formula to duplicate (but actually surpassed) Camel Lights.
1 oz. tobacco = 1.6 packs roughly
6 oz tobacco = carton roughly
14 oz tobacco = 2 cartons roughly
16 oz tobacco = 2 cartons 3 packs roughly |
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by Junge
on Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:03 pm |
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Thanks mucho for all the advice... I'll be checking all these out!
And about #1 above....that is certainly no problem for me. I doubt if I have ever smoked the same brand for more than 2 or 3 months running. Certainly not since we became targeted as a group for 2nd class status citizenry and subjected to unfair and usurus taxes.
New brands taste funny to me only the first 2 or 3 smokes then whatever brand I have on hand becomes my favorite. I'm lucky for that.
Another funny thing I thought of...by ordering RYO equipment and supplies, through my business, I might just be able to turn them into fed and state tax deductions. At any rate I plan on letting the good citizens of Oregun pick up the tab for my kids insurance when this thing passes...since they seem so anxious to do so. Saves me a couple of hundred bucks a month. |
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by alist
on Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:08 pm |
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Junge wrote:
At any rate I plan on letting the good citizens of Oregun pick up the tab for my kids insurance when this thing passes...since they seem so anxious to do so. Saves me a couple of hundred bucks a month.
Hmm, I also think tobacco products happen to make great tax-deductible business gifts.
Junge wrote:
Saves me a couple of hundred bucks a month.
The day will soon come where price won't be an issue. It's really ALL about the taste! |
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by Junge
on Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:08 am |
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Price isn't the issue with me anyway. I could afford to smoke even if cigs cost 20 bucks a pack.
My anger is over the unfair, Un-American way I am being singled out for blatant discrimination. I detest the way that my fellow countrymen have been propagandized into believing they are doing a good thing instead of signing away their own freedoms along with mine.
I am going to smoke and I will not pay these taxes. It is a matter of principle. They had better understand that if they can't understand anything else...that and the fact that being treated as a second class citizen is going to make me act like one. |
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by alist
on Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:54 am |
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Junge wrote:
My anger is over the unfair, Un-American way I am being singled out for blatant discrimination. I detest the way that my fellow countrymen have been propagandized into believing they are doing a good thing instead of signing away their own freedoms along with mine.
It IS all a scam.
Junge wrote:
I am going to smoke and I will not pay these taxes. It is a matter of principle.
I am the same way. The more pressure from society to quit, the stronger my resolve to continue smokiing becomes.
Junge wrote:
They had better understand that if they can't understand anything else...that and the fact that being treated as a second class citizen is going to make me act like one.
I haven't personally been exposed to much if this where I live, since I am in a tobacco state. I have experienced vitriolic anti-smoking lunacy in web discussions. I have yet to understand it, but how can one make sense of the nonsensical? |
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