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by linkup
on Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:03 pm |
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| That kind of stuff with crossouts and such,should be sent to every news media outlet in the Country. |
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by ericblair2084
on Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:41 pm |
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The crossouts are actually not supposed to be there. It's supposed to be underlined. Here's the original document that you and everyone else can send to the clueless part time state legislators/homemakers/dry cleaners/accountants/lawyers/clergy before they are duped by the anti tobacco pros.
Let them know this is a well funded social engineering experiment and they are just pawns who are being used.
http://www.forces.org/writers/kjono/pdf/tfw222.pdf |
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by linkup
on Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:39 am |
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by linkup
on Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:59 pm |
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http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0411smoking0411.html
Post Comments below Article,I have:
Bars brace for smoking ban
Loophole in law has owners looking to outdoor patios
Ken Alltucker
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 11, 2007 12:00 AM
The state's voter-approved smoking ban is just weeks away, and Arizona bars and restaurants are bracing for the change.
Many establishments also appear eager to take advantage of a loophole: outdoor patios that allow patrons to puff away.
Arizona's Department of Health Services last week unveiled no-smoking rules for bars, restaurants and other businesses that take effect May 1. Establishments and offices must ensure a 20-foot smoke-free zone around building entrances. No-smoking signs must be posted and indoor ashtrays removed. advertisement
Valley municipalities expect a wave of requests from bars and restaurants eager to take advantage of the patio exception. Such requests are trickling in to planning and building departments in Scottsdale, Glendale and Phoenix.
"We're getting a lot of calls and inquiries from bars," said Julie Frisoni, a spokeswoman for Glendale. "We have received at least 30 calls."
If Valley history is any indication, many of those bar owners will install patios.
After Tempe voters passed a smoking ban in 2002, it triggered as many as 50 patio conversions at bars and restaurants within two months, according to Chris Anaradian, who oversees the city department that approves permitting for building improvements.
Patio conversions aren't always an easy process. In addition to securing a city-issued permit needed to build the patio, businesses must check whether their liquor license allows customers to carry alcoholic beverages outside.
Randall Herbison, who owns Jimbo's sports bar and grill in Glendale, wanted to install a patio and fence to allow his customers to smoke and drink outside.
His plans called for installing outdoor misters and other touches that would make the patio visually appealing.
When he submitted plans to Glendale, he said, the city rejected his handwritten drawings as insufficient.
"They want a set of prints for my whole building. I'm not going to spend $5,000 for prints," Herbison said. "Now, I'm not going to do anything. I am going to put a couple of ashtrays out front and let them (smokers) have at it."
Frisoni acknowledged that some bar owners are frustrated.
"Bar owners are looking to cities for help," Frisoni said. "We're helping as much as possible, but we're only a piece of the entire puzzle."
Although the DHS will oversee the smoking ban, the state agency will contract with county health departments to enforce the law. County health inspectors will drop in at restaurants and bars as part of their routine food inspections. They'll check for things such as ashtray removal and no-smoking signs. Fines can range from $100 to $500.
At Tilted Kilt Pub & Eatery in northeast Phoenix, owner Kerry Phelps is trying to sort out how the smoking ban will be enforced.
"I'm amazed there hasn't been better communication to bar owners from some authority," he said.
The pub has not allowed smoking inside since last summer but permitted smokers to light up on a patio and at an outdoor bar that is served from the inside.
Phelps plans to eliminate smoking at the outdoor bar and move smokers away from the doors to the patio's perimeter.
He expects that a lot of bar patrons will just kick their cigarette habit.
"A lot of people that I know tell me that they only smoke when they drink," Phelps said. "Maybe this is an impetus for them to stop smoking altogether."
Republic writers Katie Nelson and Peter Corbett contributed to this article. |
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by linkup
on Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:26 am |
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Can anyone here get Mayor Bloomberg's tax records regarding Tax deductable and Non-tax deductable contributions to any org that is anti-smoking.If there is any chance of beating this Worldwide Ban scenario,we must expose the real money behind it.
Non-tax deductable Contributions do not get listed on tax forms.So we must find out from the anti-smoking orgs, who,and what orgs are donating big money to them,and where is that money coming from.These anti-smoking orgs may, or may not, be charitable orgs.God knows Bloomberg has the finances to fund them all.A lot of investigation is warranted if Bloomberg is found to be behind the funding.
The Bloomberg Worldwide Smoking Ban Plan has been shown on another thread.If he is not funding these fanatics,then who is?How much stock does Bloomberg hold in Big Pharma promoting smoking cessation products?
Bloomberg gives $125 Million to China for Smoking Ban Crap.What has he given to all the anti-smoking fanatics in the US via a hidden agenda and front organizations? |
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by gregory
on Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:26 pm |
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If it is ok to have an outdoor area for smokers, which it should be, why can't a business owner open an all outdoor ampitheater? The Cowboys Stadium in Irving is on the sales block !
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by linkup
on Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:57 pm |
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The anti-fanatics are more than likely already lobbying for Smoke-Free Patios in Arizona.They want to sit outside too on a nice day or night.Compromise is not their way.
The anti-movement probably has a ballot proposition ready for 2008 in case they don't succeed with lobbying effort.
Totally Smoking Bars (hired help included) for smokers only, seems to be the only compromise possible,and that will take time and effort.I don't know why this option was not on the ballot in 2006.There would at least be some bars that would cater to an all smoking environment.
Defiance of law,and/or boycotts of bars is possible and probable,Bar owners will feel the heat.
In the event there is no compromise,all smokers need to get together, form clubs(alliances) and stake out bars for non-smoking drunks and report them.No Bars left,no issue left.We all lose!
The same argument can be made for restaurants in Arizona.Some, all smoking is better than none.
Both bars and restaurants that choose smoking would be packed with people and so would the non-smoking ones.The Government has to let the marketplace settle this issue. |
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by gregory
on Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:53 pm |
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You are right. I suspect that most bars would cater to an all smoking environment - because with todays ventillation technology, only the most staunch non-smokers would mind.
The few staunch ones want to control everything !
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by linkup
on Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:12 pm |
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| I feel I am right and I have sent my message to 3 Arizona State Agencies that can make a difference.I will post any comments I receive. |
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by linkup
on Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:09 pm |
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The Antis of Arizona are after the Smoking Patios,here's proof in a letter/or opinion to editor of the Arizona Republic Newspaper:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0415sunlets153.html
Smoking ban won't shut down bars
Apr. 15, 2007 12:00 AM
Regarding "Bars brace for smoking ban" (Republic, Wednesday):
It is very reassuring to hear that the Arizona Department of Health Services and most bar owners are supportive of the new smoking prohibition law that will come into effect May 1.
The smoking patios discussed in this article contradict the purpose of the smoking ban. It is really disappointing that people are already trying to find loopholes. We might as well not have passed the law at all.
This is the dumb ass response of a kid or moron who didn't know there was a Patio exemption.Most voters are stupid and this comment proves it! The anti movement will not stand for smoking patios,so why should bar owners spend more money to appeal to smokers and have the law amended by these anti-smoking facists?All the money they have already spent for ventillation systems is lost.
With the DHS providing regular health inspections and enforcing the ban, bar owners should not have to regulate the law themselves. Problem customers who smoke where prohibited should be handled by state authorities.
With people like you having an impact on our Arizona Laws, Sheriff Joe would be pleased,just throw all smokers in tent city jail and wait for them to die from the green bologna he provides to inmates.What you think are problem smokers are one day going to report you for drunk driving! Revenge is looking good!
Also, bar owners should not get frustrated about this law because of a potential loss of business. Every bar will lose a smoking area, so they will all be affected equally.
How would you like losing 20-50 percent of your income based on equality of a moronic law,you idiot!!
Preparation for a desirable non-smoking environment in Arizona takes time, and this ban is a good first step. I'm impressed that Arizona is aiming for a healthier atmosphere. - Nikki Helms,Glendale
What is your second step,shooting smokers on sight? This kind of ridiculous nonsense is what they publish.Shame on them.I will be amazed if they publish my response. |
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