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by infinitethoughts
on Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:07 pm |
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"Anthony J. Biacco" <thelittleprince@asteroid-b612.org> wrote in message
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> in a similar vein, what if a private business, let's say a bar, said,
> "our patrons smoke. if you don't like it or can't comply with that
> requirement, you shouldn't come in"
> is there anything really stopping businesses from doing that to fight
> the anti-smoking laws? it's not a public place, hence the old "we
> reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" bit.
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Which is an idea I've been thinking about.
Would definitely bring to a head the pointed fact, that business is private,
and NOT the states or the governments property. (We're not completely a
dictarship, just yet, right ?!)
Would be cool, if someone had money to burn, could use it as a tax write
off, to do EXACTLY that.
Open the first smokers bar and then sit back and watch the fireworks........
(Shawn and Bob would def. be back on their Blood pressure meds.)
Any takers ?
Seriously.
Note: Offset costs for the inevitable lawyer? Pay his tab with bar drinks
and a cool place to smoke.........indoors.
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I've been posting this on alt.smokers under the name Green Hornet. |
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by dumpstermcnuggets
on Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:26 am |
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Interesting post you saw. Do you know by any chance where this person posting lives in? (I presume obviously some state/city/country that has a smoking ban)
I really hope they can protest that smoking ban any way possible, even if that means having a 'smoke-in'. (seriously!) |
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by Linda Taylor
on Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:17 pm |
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If enough of us would contribute to it it's doable.
What would really be great about it is that once we start this sort of protest, (and many others, hopefully), others would follow suit. These things can really multiply fast once they get going!
The next thing you know, we'd have a movement of our own, more powerful than that of those creepy, crawly busybodies!
This has happened often in the past, but only after the totalitarianism has gone too far, which can take a whole lifetime. It's such a shame to let it ruin such a huge chunk of your life before you finally start fighting back.
I think the only reason people haven't publicly protested much already is because they, rightly, think they couldn't make much of a dent in this crisis alone. And sometimes you sure can feel all alone in this!
Sometimes I feel like I'm in one of those horrifying Twilight Zone episodes or having a horrible nightmare and can't wake up! |
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by Jay
on Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:29 pm |
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| A bar for smokers is a good idea. I'd make sure no nonsmokers are allowed to enter, and all of the workers in that bar would smoke....no exceptions for nons who wanna work there. |
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by Lynda F
on Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:21 am |
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While this appears to be a good idea, it will never happen. Look at HOW the smoking ban laws are written. The laws forbid smoking in ANY closed environment (and open in many areas too) where the public is invited in (that includes private membership only clubs in many areas as well).
They made sure there was NO room for "totally separate, segragated, smoking only" establishments.
Unfortunately, the rAntis made sure we had NO choice but to patronize smoke-free establishments. They don't believe we can stay away from them for too long. As one who hates drunks and crowds, I have NO problem never patronizing any bar or club and haven't for at least 25 years now. And now, I will NO longer spend MY money in any restaurant, either. |
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by smokem
on Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:39 am |
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| If the time comes when defiance can be organized in such a way that Big Brother loses control it will help. Right now you're seeing isolated cases where indignant bar owners announce their defiance to the press. You applaud these guys but they get fined to death or just closed down. In a lot of places a good number of bars come to ignore the ban over time but this succeeds where it's overlooked so it doesn't make the bans themselves go away. There's a long road ahead. Organization has to progress. In the meantime if I wanted to smoke and drink like a human being I'd hunt up genuine "smokeasies." I haven't done that myself. I do not eat in restaurants and I do not drink in bars. I fly in a plane if I have to. I always drive my own car when I can. I shoot for "smoking" hotel rooms but have enjoyed smoking in "non-smoking" hotel rooms and have never been accused of it because I'm reasonably careful. When smoking is banned on the sidewalk and in my living room I'll find ways around that. One thing I never expect or ever consider is compromise, because that is decent, what our enemies are not. Decency is what we had and what they erased. Decent is what we are and what they hate. The "smokers only" bar, like the "colored" drinking fountain (the broken one) of yore, would be an admission that smokers might be half-human. Anti will not permit anyone even to think that smokers might be half-human. We're going to have to give Anti what she's got coming before we're through here. |
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by twillercat
on Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:08 am |
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I'm with "smokem" on the issue of not spending money where I'm treated badly. But I would suggest also letting the establishment know about it. For example, I've called restaurants to make reservations for a group and ask whether their (outdoor, of course) smoking section includes a roof, fans, etc. If it doesn't, I tell them never mind, I want a place that's comfortable. A lot of restaurants think smokers will be satisfied with a table and a chair next to the dumpster...while paying full price for the meal. Gotta let them know that's ain't enough.
In my state, bars can allow smoking as long as only "incidental" food is served. When the details of the smoking law were written, the state restaurant association made sure "incidental" was defined as less than 10% of gross receipts. It COULD have been defined as high as 49% of gross receipts but the restaurant association folks were heavy Republican contributors and our lege and governor are Republican, so that was that.
What's needed is for some deep pocket pro-smokers (tobacco companies, where are you?) to start a chain of nice bars with delicious incidental food. Now, is that asking too much? |
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by smokem
on Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:39 am |
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| Yes it's good to let 'em know you demand decent accommodation in places where any possible form of decent accommodation isn't yet prohibited by law. The big tobacco companies are pathetic arseholes who assisted immeasureably getting us into this mess through their appeasement and the MSA. RJ Reynolds opened a kind of smokers' bar (in Chicago I think) and sqeaks about "smokers' rights" now and then but they fight with their pinkies with their hands behind their backs in the handcuffs they put on themselves. The only good thing that could come out of this horror is if the big American tobacco companies get destroyed in the process. That's just possible. Avoid their products like the plague. At least don't buy them within the USA where you pay into the MSA. There are good alternatives. |
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