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by Rick
on Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:33 pm |
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This is the e-mailed response I got from a Lowes customer service representative:
Dear Rick,
Thank you for your e mail and your interest in Lowe's Home Improvement Warehouse.
Regarding your comments, Lowe's values a safe and healthy workplace and believes that this policy promotes the best work environment for all employees and visitors.
I will forward your comments to our Policy and Procedure Department. The staff will review how our current policy affects our customers and will investigate possible solutions for the future.
Thanks again for making us aware of your situation, and I apologize for any inconvenience created by our current policy.
Your feedback is very important to us. Please write to us anytime you would like to express an opinion.
Reja
Lowe's Customer Care
This is Rick again: Perhaps if they get enough phone calls/e-mails/letters they will re-evaluate their total anti-smoking policy. I am amazed I actually got a response from a live person. They have implemented "designated smoking areas" where I attend college at and I e-mailed the "smoking communications team" and haven't received a response - not even an auto generated one! |
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by sheryljeanne
on Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:30 pm |
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| Thats the same exact letter I got this morning from Lowes we may all end up with that response lol the wonders of the internet |
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by Tom
on Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:48 am |
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| This is a true tragedy; Lowes has no right to do this, at least in my state, NJ. They need a town ordinance since it is outdoor property open to the public. There is a Lowes being built in my town within a year, and I will keep monitoring the town council agendas; when one comes up for smoking, I'll be there with a crowd. Lowes will have to fight these towns in NJ one by one to get a non smoking ordinance on public outside property. I will do my best to keep them from getting a non smoking ordinance passed in my town, and I hope everyone does the same in their home town. |
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by C716
on Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:37 pm |
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I know I will sound like the devils advocate here, but I have a question.
I read these boards and when it comes to restaraunts, you want the business owners to decide if there is smoking or not, Yet, when the business ( LOWES ) DOES make a decision ( obviously not the one you want), you want The "people" to make the final decision. So, I guess my question is, WHO do you want to decide the issue, the business owner, or the people??
If this is simply the "outside" property of Lowes, I am sure you would find that Lowes OWNS and paid for the property outside ( I.E. Parking lot ), if not, at least they lease it. In effect, they are responsible for maintenance and safety ( wild shopping carts gone awry!! LOL).
Just a different view guys.............. but a good one to think about.
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by Tom
on Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:09 pm |
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| The problem with Lowes making that smoking ban outside is that they are breaking state laws to do it. For example, in NJ, there are no laws prohibiting smoking outside. That means if a store is open to the public, they can not tell people not to smoke outside without a town ordinance saying they can do so. If enough towns make these ordinances for anything, then the state usually kicks in and makes a law. This is a case where the store owners are actually pushing for laws to be changed so they can discriminate against a group. I believe that is how the law in NJ against drinking outside started, and shopping barefoot started. |
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by C716
on Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:37 pm |
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Great response Tom, Thanks for the info
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by BWilliams
on Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:56 am |
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| It was a sad day for everyone when they banned drinking a can of beer barefoot in front of a store. Say no to bans! |
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by Jay
on Wed Oct 22, 2003 9:19 am |
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If you thought Tom's post was a great response, I hope you caught this part of his post as being great.
"The problem with Lowes making that smoking ban outside is that they are breaking state laws to do it. For example, in NJ, there are no laws prohibiting smoking outside. That means if a store is open to the public, they can not tell people not to smoke outside without a town ordinance saying they can do so."
There's a difference between a business making a decision to not allow smoking INSIDE and a business making a decision to not allow smoking OUTSIDE. Anyone with a clear mind can see that. If the business wants to prohibit smoking outside of the place, then they need state permission to do so. Unless the state specifically has a law that prohibits smoking outside of all businesses. Without a law or ordinace, then the business does NOT have the right to make their property outside smoke-free. That "right" is only limited to indoors. |
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by C716
on Wed Oct 22, 2003 10:05 am |
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I am not sure what you mean about the "part of his post" as being Great, but I thanked him for clarifying things. In the written medium, ideas and words can be miscontrued, thats all.
In the rest of YOUR post, I note that you would accept the ban if the state were to implement it.......... or at lest thats what you imply. I doubt it.
Viewing this board, I have noticed that when the state makes the law, you guys want the business only to have final say so. When the Business owner makes the rule, you want the state to finalize it. When the state DOES finalize it or make it into a statute, you say the people should have say so,, or the business owner.
Which is it?? |
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