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by Torquemeda
on Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:52 pm |
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http://www.nycclash.com/CaseAgainstBans/OSHA.html
Check out this:
Coming at OSHA from quite a different angle is litigator (and how!) John Banzhaf, founder and president of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH).
Banzhaf is on record as wanting to remove healthy children from intact homes if one of their family smokes. He also favors national smoking bans both indoors and out throughout America, and has litigation kits for sale on how to get your landlord to evict your smoking neighbors.
Banzhaf originally wanted OSHA to ban smoking in all American workplaces.
It's not even that OSHA wasn't happy to play along; it's just that--darn it -- they couldn't find the real-world science to make it credible.
So Banzhaf sued them. Suing federal agencies to get them to do what you want is, alas, a new trick in the political deck of cards. But OSHA, at least apparently, hung tough.
In response to Banzhaf's law suit they said the best they could do would be to set some official standards for permissible levels of smoking in the workplace.
Scaring Banzhaf, and Glantz and the rest of them to death.
Permissible levels? No, no. That would mean that OSHA, officially, said that smoking was permitted. That in fact, there were levels (hard to exceed, as we hope we've already shown) that were generally safe.
This so frightened Banzhaf that he dropped the case. Here are excerpts from his press release:
"ASH has agreed to dismiss its lawsuit against OSHA...to avoid serious harm to the non-smokers rights movement from adverse action OSHA had threatened to take if forced by the suit to do it....developing some hypothetical [ASH's characterization] measurement of smoke pollution that might be a better remedy than prohibiting smoking....[T]his could seriously hurt efforts to pass non-smokers' rights legislation at the state and local level...
This idiot tried to sue them because he didn't like their test results, I think this totally proves what a crock the anti-smoking movement is. He goes on to say:
Looking on the bright side, Banzhaf concludes:
"We might now be even more successful in persuading states and localities to ban smoking on their own, once they no longer have OSHA rule-making to hide behind."
OSHA is what determines a workplace hazard, not the EPA. |
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by Gabz
on Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:13 pm |
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Banzhafass is a flipping asshole.
I would love for him to show up on this forum - but he won't, he's too afraid. We all know too much.
Think about it - he would probably wet himself in a confrontation with CarolAnn (that is not a slam on Carol, it is said as a compliment)
I know I'm permitted to use saltier language here than on other sites, but I just can't bring myself to spell out the things I have to say about this cretin.
Speaking of cretins, has anyone seen/heard/read anything from Joe Cherner of late? |
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by Torquemeda
on Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:33 pm |
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Just did a google on him. It appears he's been having some problems in France. Check out the picture of him and his "partner". While I don't care if someone's gay, I do have a problem with anyone who takes their lifestyle and/or belief and...ahem...tries to ram it down everyone's throat.
http://www.smokersclubinc.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2776
It appears this he is currently targeting Ohio on his website:
http://www.smokefree.net/JoeCherner-announce/messages/
Still, you can't be too rough on Mr. Cherner. I heard when he was a baby the only way his parents could get him to stop crying was to ram the pacifier up his ass.
Also rumor has it after he had a spot on "Penn and Tellar's Bullshit" he tried to cash in by starting his own cookie company called "Famous Anus."
I expect in a few years when the anti-smoking fad becomes unfashionable he'll disapper to where he was before his 15 minutes of fame started, and that's on the bad side of a glory hole. |
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by Darkseid
on Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:53 pm |
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Wow, but why don't you say what you really think? LOL  |
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by Gabz
on Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:08 pm |
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You're a better person than I am, Torque.
I don't give a flying flip that the man is gay, but I will be damned if I will condone his attitude in regard to parenting based upon smoking.
He is a major activist in regard to gay adoption, which is fine by me because there are so many children that truly need loving homes. But for that POS to claim he and his partner are better parents to their adopted daughters than my husband and I are to our biological child because we asre smokers just goes WAY too far in my acceptance field.
He's a damned hypocrite.......I would actually support his position in regard to gay adoption if he was talking about adopting children in need of such........he and/or his partner was/were the sperm donors and had surrogates carry the babies they "adopted."
And finally - he is a damned liar. Following the 9/11/01 attacks he and his partner and their "daughters" fled to France because their lower Manhattan home was uninhabitable (the partner is from France). Yet while living in France he wrote a letter to the editor, that was published in a Delaware newspaper, claiming he was in Wilmington, DE. |
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by Torquemeda
on Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:11 pm |
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If you want to know what a major asshole this guy is rent "Penn and Tellar's Bullshit: Smoking Bans."
They ask Cherner why he was so adamant about pushing NYC's smoking ban through. He answered something like, "Ever since I was a kid I always imagined myself as a superhero and I wanted to do something good for the world."
This idiot views more governmental contol as a good thing.
Now, unless I don't know my superhero characters (And I do.) this type of mentality was usually more in line with the villians. Hell, Doctor Doom was convinced the world could only be saved if he was running it. That's what made him such a great villian, he thought he was doing good and the ends always justified the means.
It makes for a great comic villian, but when someone like this appears in real life it kind of freaks me out. |
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by Torquemeda
on Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:22 pm |
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I don't care if he's gay either, unless he's one of those hardcore activists, which, and I know I shouldn't be judgemental, he certainly is displaying signs of.
But for that POS to claim he and his partner are better parents to their adopted daughters than my husband and I are to our biological child because we asre smokers just goes WAY too far in my acceptance field.
Yeah, he's doing the exact same thing to smokers that the gays complained was being done to them for so long.
The only difference is his actions are stating: "Smoke Poles, Don't Smoke Butts." |
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by JEEP_GOD
on Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:59 pm |
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An anti tried to use the OHSA/EPA round 'da bush on me a couple of weeks ago. When I pointed out the real deal, he replies "well, the science doesn't matter, we know it's fudged. We have the backing to do away with smoking" or, something along those lines. These people are un-real.
So far as the human freakazoid that was spoke of in the above posts, I don't believe I can type enough cuss words to describe how I feel about people like him. |
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by Torquemeda
on Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:08 am |
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An anti tried to use the OHSA/EPA round 'da bush on me a couple of weeks ago.
Where was this at? If it was at a message board post a link, I will be on my best behavior.  |
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by JEEP_GOD
on Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:30 am |
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Here's a link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1712866/posts?q=1&&page=51
It started when I made post 59. I used the example of welding, to show some REAL dangerous fumes. The [doodee] I breathe around my job makes cigarette smoke look like nothing.
He came back with some OHSA stuff about post 59. (which was about welding)
I then showed OHSA didn't think secondhand smoke was bad enough to
earn it's own category in post 66.(that was where he was trying to go with this)
Basically I was pointing out that if it was SO DANGEROUS, why didn't OHSA have a page full of info, or a MSDS on it. So, he couldn't hide in the OHSA quotes anymore.
He then posts, "Let me be the first to say that I think the science on the dangers of Secondhand Smoke that the government has relied on to promulgate smoking restrictions in public places borders on outright fraud. It was a political decision, and the science was fudged to support that decision." in post 70.
I've quoted that post here before. It just proves that truth doesn't matter.
But, we all knew that. |
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