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by Torquemeda
on Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:51 am |
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"I started smoking during the war. I have kept it up ever since. It keeps me healthy." --Marlene Dietrich
Born 1901
Died 1993
She only lived 92 years? Wow.
How is it the so called WW2 generation, "The Greatest Generation" gave birth to the "Baby Boomers" aka, "The Most Fucked Up Generation"?
Makes you wonder what the "Baby Boomers" are going to give birth to? |
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by JRS9000
on Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:05 pm |
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How do you explain, then, people who lived to 110 and who never smoked?
Get it now? |
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by O2Lover
on Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:33 pm |
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Darkseid wrote: This gentleman is actually a member of this board, one of the 1st 25 folks to sign up, but has been MIA for quite a while-I'm quite familiar with him, and have conversed with him on many other boards. He made an extremely valid point with this-I don't think he'll mind if I post it here. This was his letter to the editor of a newspaper that did an article accusing smokers of killing people at airports that allowed smoking in seperate sections (what else would the media say?). I don't know if they ever printed his letter, or responded to him, but....read on.
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A letter to the editor I wrote a few years ago:
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Dear Editor,
Feb. 14th's article, "Airport Air Unhealthy..." shows just how silly the Smoking Prohibitionists have become.
The article claims "frequent fliers may be getting a dangerous dose" of secondary tobacco smoke. A “dangerous dose”? In an airport? An airport where hundreds of planes are freely spewing jet fuel fumes into the terminals’ air intakes??
Looking at just two of the emissions that jets and cigarettes have in common shows how ridiculous this is. According to the Surgeon Generals' 1986 Report on Environmental Tobacco Smoke, a cigarette puts out a total of 3 mg of nitrogen oxide (NO) and 40 mg of carbon monoxide (CO). The 1995 EPA study on airplane emissions cites a single 747 takeoff/landing at about 115 pounds of NO and 32 pounds of CO.
That's 52 million mg of NO and 14 million mg of CO if you do the math.
Doing a bit more math for a typical 500 takeoffs/landings per day shows us that the nice clean smokefree air being pumped into those terminals has the CO equivalent of over 160 million cigarettes and the NO of Eight and a Half BILLION cigarettes.
All of which is being shwooshed right into the lungs of travelers who are supposedly receiving a "dangerous dose" from a few cigarettes being puffed in secluded and sealed off terminal areas and bars. This would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
Michael J. McFadden
http://cantiloper.tripod.com
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"
http://www.Antibrains.com
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1986 SG Report pgs. 129, 130, 136
EPA Report "Technical Data... Commercial Aviation" 09/29/95
I get the point, but if the argument is that jet exhaust is creating 52 million mg of NO and 14 million mg of CO in the terminal, which would be a direct comparison to SHS in the terminal, it is defective. Except for connecting a hose from a jet's exhaust port to a terminal inlet, exactly how does every speck of NO and CO get in there? What about the stuff released into the outside air that never gets to the terminals’ air intakes? Are there filters in place at the point of these air intakes (besides open doors, of course)?
Until you can determine how much jet exhaust actually gets in the terminal, sorry: noise to signal ratio too high--results invalid.
Now that New Jersey terminals are SHS free, perhaps Mr. McFadden can commission an accurate air sampling to determine how much jet exhaust gets into, say, Newark airport. |
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by Cantiloper
on Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:21 pm |
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Sorry about being MIA. Busy bee here and sometimes I forget to visit all the lovely flowers. :>
USA Today printed that letter. Nice readership there and I was a bit surprised they printed something that "technical." And I'm always happy and pleased when people like what I write enough that they repost it elsewhere! :)
JS, you missed the point of course: Eight and a half BILLION cigarettes all get quite effectively filtered out of the air at the air intakes of those terminals. And yet the Antismokers like to claim that the smoke from a few dozen cigarettes defies the laws of ventilation and filtration physics and cannot be dealt with.
Sillyness of course but they get away with it because they have the power of the public microphone.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"
http://www.pasan.TheTruthIsALie.com |
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by ericblair2084
on Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:52 pm |
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Hey Michael, nice to see you here.
This guy knows so much, he should write a book. 
Believe it or not, JRS is actually worse than Erik from Siegel's blog. Erik was just an 18 year old bored High School kid on summer vacation.
JRS is delusional enough to actually think he can debate you.
Have fun. |
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by DC
on Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:19 pm |
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Hi Michael:
Welcome back. Glad to see someone of your stature posting on this site.
With that, I would like to get your take on a couple of current issues:
A) Is there any truth to the stories that big pharma is beginning to shift its funding away from tobacco and toward what it perceives as future profit centers such as alcohol and obesity? And, if so, what do you as the short and long term effects? How is it affecting groups such as Tobacco.org and some of the national so—called “non-profs”?
B) How would you suggest people get involved in the fight against existing and impending bans on the local and state level? I have reduced my blog rants and turned more of my effort toward removing ban politicos and have found it extremely rewarding.
Would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the above.
Michael, thanks for all of your great efforts. You have been a great ally in the good fight. |
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by Gabz
on Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:00 pm |
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DC wrote: Hi Michael:
Welcome back. Glad to see someone of your stature posting on this site.
ROFLMSS!!!! Michael, a person of staure........... You're slaying me DC, absolutely slaying me..........
Michael is a sawed-off skinny runt of a guy.
Just kidding.....Michael is an old and dear friend..........I just don't see as much of him, or talk to him as much as I used to........either online or IRL. Of course my adding an additional 100 miles distance between us 3 years ago and lack of picking up the phone to give him a jingle probably has absolutely nothing to do with that sorry state of affairs....... LOL!!! |
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by Cantiloper
on Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:56 am |
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Awww.... thankee to all the warm welcomers! :) Heehee... and Gabz is right: I'm about 5' 8" and weigh about 135 soaking wet! :>
DC asked me to comment on a couple of things....
About RWJF and switching to alcohol: The very last appendix of "Dissecting..." predicted that RWJF would be moving more money toward anti-alcohol activities and I based a lot of that prediction upon the paper by Dan Mindus at:
http://www.abionline.org/downloads/report_rwjf.pdf
They've probably pulled some of their funding from the Antismokers, but there's so much out there from the MSA that I don't think it matters a whole lot. And yeah, they'll be pumping more money into obesity because of the potential for J&J to make billions off of diet drugs.
As for fighting bans, I firmly believe in the value of education. The Antismokers lie to people. We can expose those lies clearly and simply, and we need to do that to get bar/restaurant owners involved and to counter the power the Antismoking Lobby has with politicians. They've got lots of clever sound bites, but we've got good counters for them that are around on the various web pages of the smokersclub.com, forces.org, my pages, CLASH's pages and elsewhere.
People need to print up flyers and hand them out to smokers and get those smokers connected via emails with each other and/or the local "smokers' rights" groups. Once that email connection is established people will begin getting connected to the information sources out there exposing the lies and THAT will get them angry and active.
Removing ban-supporting politicians is important, but it's also important not to waste energy against ones that are too entrenched. The Antis can funnel a LOT of money and support to pro-ban politicians in various sneaky ways (e.g. holding a TV-news-featured dinner to give an award to "The Man Who Saved The Childrens' Lungs" the week before an election)
We're lucky in this fight because I believe we DO have the truth on our side. As we expose the lies on the other side we can change minds.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of Dissecting Antismokers' Brains
http://pasan.TheTruthIsALie.com |
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by Darkseid
on Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:17 am |
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| You're right on that bit about the Nazis slipping assistance/funds to an anti-smoker politico, and the filthy bastards should BE TAKEN TO COURT for it!!! Why, oh WHY, do these sob's keep their tax-exempt status? |
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by Gabz
on Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:53 pm |
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The fact that RWJF now controls MADD should be very telling in where they are heading.
RWJF is also a major funder of anti-2nd amendment groups such as the Brady Bunch. |
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