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by C716
on Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:00 pm |
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I have noticed that ( at least here in Sunny Florida ) that free standing Bars are exempt from the smokefree ordiance. Ya know what......... Absolutey FINE with me. You will NOT hear me say that THEY too should be smokefree. I have done a bit of observation and cant help but notice that thise folks who hang out in a bar tend to smoke. JUST an observation. For instance, there is a local pub near me which is a smoking bar........ I dont go to it, that simple. I will say that the food would be good ( and of course this is MY opinion) but yeah, in the times I have been in there, I notice the cooks smoke too,, and yeah,, being as I never have smoked, I could taste it.............NOT GOOD. BUT, it IS the type place in which breeds that smoking environment, and if someone wants to have a smoked sandwhich ( Humor guys)....... Power to ya.
I dont think that there is a huge conspiricy to take cigarettes away, lets face it, I would LOVE to have all the money that tobacco Lobbyists have paid to politicians............ we KNOW they do,, and it is NOT in thier best financial inetrests ( the politicians) to do away with ciggs,,,,,,,,,,,,, I simply think that most PEOPLE have choosen not to have it in public places, THATS ALL. No big secret, no push to rip up the Bill of rights, just a change in lifestyles, THATS all.
I am not a smart assed non-smoker that some folks think, just another guy with his own opinion and yes,, I DID vote for the smokefree ordinance,, as did nearly %75 of Floridas Voting population ( %71 to be exact ). While I have heard that it was the "OLD PEOPLE" who made this ordenance go through, Look at it this way, Those SAME "OLD PEOPLE" came from the BIG Smoking generation. They were the smokers that put todays smokers to shame !!!!!! Why, suddenly did they have a change of heart?? I am NOt sure.. I can guess,,or give my OWN opinion, but.. either way,, they DID change.............. MUCH like the rest of society today. I said before, a century ago, you could find a spitoon in an eatery................... We've come a LONG way Baby.
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by Tom
on Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:36 pm |
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| First of all the Florida smoking ban in not an ordinance. It is a statute, or state law, because it was made on the state level. Another thing you seem to be ignorant about is that just because a restaurant is non smoking to the customers does not mean that it is non smoking for the workers and cooks. I worked at pizza hut when I was younger. That was a non smoking chain for the customers at that time, but we all smoked in the back. People still smoke in the back there today. My point is that if you tasted a smoked sandwich at a smoking bar, that was completely in your head. Cooks smoke in the back of restaurants smoking or not unless they are non smokers. They don't exhale in your food. It's not like they cook and smoke at the same time. So, if you're so sensitive that you could taste smoke in the sandwich at the smoking bar, you would tast smoke in the food of almost every restaurant you go to. |
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by C716
on Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:30 am |
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Ok TOM, a statute.
and NO, I am NOT ignorant about whether or not cooks smoke, in some places, I am sure they DO.
On the other hand,, the smoke I tatsted on the sandwhich,, was NOT in my head, it was ON my sandwhich, I KNOW what I tasted.
Ok, but if cooks smoke in the back,, you are saying they dont exhale?? ah,, the old Bill Clinton smoking... got ya
Again, if you really read my post, the basics of it were that I dont go back to that particular pub, thats all
Dont take everything as a shot,, it realy wasnt............ Everytime I post, I feel like I am on a firing range.. LOL |
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by Tom
on Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:58 am |
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Smoking is usually considered a break at restaurants. The cooks will usually stand back by the dishwasher and have a cigarette. They don't exhale on the food itself. They usually look up at the ceiling and exhale.
You are taking on the firing squad every time you post. We're very committed to our beliefs here. |
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by C716
on Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:10 am |
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Oh yeah, while stationed in Dallas, I moonlighted at a bar/eatery and am very familar. Although in the local sports eatery that I was in, the owners would not allow smoking in the kitchen. Not to say some cooks would ignore that rule if the boss were away, but thats a different story.
I really dont mind being in the "firing line" so to speak, I am equally as passionate about my views. I can however discuss them without insulting anyone. I know the smokers would like to have certain things changed, no doubt about thtat, well, to have anything changed, you MUST have a dialoge witht he folks you are at odds with ( belief sytem odds that is). Thats why I just say, state your views, but dont attack me, it gets you no where, I have extreamly thick skins and all it offers me is entertainment.
I have posted some relevant views and ideas, but for the most part, the intelegent postings go by the wayside and I have been called names, ok,, well......... that goes nowhere.
Most folks out there are passionate about something, you guys are about smoking. I am a non-smoker and have my OWN belief system, not to say I am evil, or a stormtrooper ready to wipe oout the tobacco industry.... hehehe no, but,, I have tried to think of mediums for both sides and it is near impossible.
I know a lot of people on this board most likely LOVE to see me post, otherwise its just a whiner board, at least when I post,,, there is a target to vent at... hahahaha, so see, I provide some value to this board too !!! LOL!!
Seriously though, Good luck |
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by BWilliams
on Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:36 am |
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Actually, it sounds like you are whining the most about name-calling. If it doesn't bother you, why mention it?
Smokers have been called every name in the book when they light up in public, why shouldn't you get the same treatment when you come to our site? |
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by Tom
on Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:47 am |
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| I know it's required in my town to have a no smoking sign posted in the back of a restaurant, but no one back there cares, and I'm sure glad they dont. If that way of thinking spreads, we could win this battle. I saw a few people smoking in a mall in Jersey City recently, and NJ banned smoking in malls in 1997. That makes me happy to see. I went to Egypt last summer on a vacation, and it was a beautiful thing. The airports and some buildings said no smoking, but the smokers over there collectively say "F-That" by having a cigarette, and I was proud to join in as an American smoker. I wish more smokers for America would fight for their rights like they do in Egypt, but I think the problem in America is that people take freedom for granted. They assume it'll always be there, and that professional politicans are fighting to protect it. Now, let's applaud the cooks, dishwashers, and all restaurant for not following signs. It's a small step in the right direction. |
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by BWilliams
on Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:54 am |
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Tom wrote: but I think the problem in America is that people take freedom for granted.
That is very true, Tom. About 10 years noone would have ever thought smoking would be banned in America. Not America, the land of the free. Then the next thing you know, we actually have a gov't which slowly begins to control us, telling us what to do. And we're powerless to stop it! In 10 years, I shudder to think what will be outlawed next. Voting? |
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by C716
on Tue Oct 21, 2003 12:16 pm |
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Oh, I HAVE noticed the name calling, just acknowledging the futility of it. thas all.
But, it IS a free country & and I can metion it if I desire to do so............................
My Father & Mother smoked, I never called them names. They were/are great Parents and I respect them. They smked in thier home & auto and that was thier deal, they never smoked in mine and thats because they respected My wishes..............kinda worked for us.
Have a GREAT day guys |
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by Jay
on Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:41 am |
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For (you know who you are, the anonymous poster with a "number" as part of the alias):
If there's anyone on here with intelligent posts, it ain't you. I'm not surprised at cooks who smoke, but common sense should tell you if cooks actually smoked while doing the actual cooking (as you implied), we would have TONS of places being burnt down. Even I can't imagine an ashtray sitting on a stove. I agree with the others who said "If there are cooks who smoke in the kitchen, they likely do it away from the stove." BTW, if you want respect from me on a PRO-smoking site, then you can keep on dreaming. I know if I went to an anti-smoking site, I wouldn't be surprised if the anti-smokers on there treated me like $#!+. They SHOULD treat me like $#!+ since I would be at the wrong place for a pro-smoker.
For the record, I never even "tasted cigarette smoke" in the meals my own mother cooked while she smoked, and I certainly never tasted cigarette smoke in my restaurant meals. You're 1 in 1 zillion to make an observation like that. |
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