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by Drema
on Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:39 am |
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Hello my name is Drema, I am from Oregon (one of the smoke Nazi states) and I am new. I am originally from Maryland where I was born and raised on a tobacco farm. My family began farming tobacco before 1600’s until the recent laws crushed four generations of farming. We once raised tobacco to trade among the English, and now we are reduced to selling our land . Needless to say, everyone’s freedom of choice has been taken away.
The reason I am stopping by today is because there is a need to help those who chose to smoke and those who wish to stop smoking but cant. I have been a smoker since I was 11, I am 44 now. In that time I have tried many times to stop smoking only to fail after stressful events and finding that the support I do get is the same basic protocols- Set a date, get rid of your ashtrays, reward yourself. My favorite program is Oregon’s quit support which consisted of 1-rubber band (to snap your wrist when an urge comes on) 1- rock (to rub when your stressed) and 1-toothpick (for oral fixation). Many of our states, doctors, and society is missing the point- these methods do not work. In looking at the number of people who try to quit and succeed, a large amount fail and soon become sick in part of the tar and chemicals they ingest over a life time. Many programs try to gulit us into quiting such as using children, insulting us by saying we smell, or we cost them too much money in health care and the only remedy is for us to stop smoking. Well, if we could stop we would and if we do not want to we shouldn’t.
I feel there needs to be a “rethinking” on how we smoke and treat cigarettes. For me, I do not want to quit because of athletics’ or because I get dirty looks, I could care less about people who judge others, so to use society as a reason to quit is not hitting on the core reason of smoking. I feel that instead of giving us those protocols and reasons, we need to put more thought into other causes that keeps us smoking. An example is in stress, if we can deal with a smoker who has personal issues that causes them to smoke or something feasible and grounded that can be linked to nicotine addiction than we can rethink the solution.
Another issue is in people who choose to smoke because they enjoy it, such as myself. I feel that research into better cigarette filters (such as the Nic-out) can reduce tar by 90 % or better. I cannot see why we cannot make a safer cigarette for those who are not ready to quit. I just feel that “quitting” is not the be-all and end-all to the smoking issue. I look forward to your replies. |
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by runamok
on Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:09 am |
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Drema wrote: ...there is a need to help those....who wish to stop smoking but cant.
We don't need or want any more 'help'. So far, this 'help' has consisted of denormalization campaigns based on lies and propaganda, punitive taxation, and the stripping of private property rights.
Smoking is not a disease as the headlines would have us believe. It is not an epidemic or a crisis. It is not abnormal or aberrant behavior though this attitude has been artificially thrust on the public by a hyperactive, hysterical, hypocritical bunch of scolds whose livlihoods depend on brisk cigarette sales.
Shed the guilt and light up.
Oh....and welcome to the Lobby. |
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by infinitethoughts
on Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:04 am |
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Drema.
I'll keep my post short and to the point for maximum effect on the artificially generated myth that smokers wanna quit.
Who you gonna believe regarding the use of the ancient medicinal plant Tobacco ?:
A culture that in a short 80 years has managed to rape and pillage the earth or:
A culture that for thousands of years has honored and revered the earth ? |
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by neversurrender
on Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:43 pm |
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Drema,
Welcome to the lobby. I'm quite new to this site myself and I have been suprised by the number of smokers who visit the site and who feel like they ought to quit smoking. Why? I am 71 years old, in excellent health (as far as I know) and have been smoking since I was 12. I have been in a hospital twice in my life - once to have a hernia corrected (when I was 18 years old) and once for a bleeding ulcer, which I was informed was caused by drinking a pot of coffee every morning for 25 years. I have been in a doctor's office three times in my life. Once for advice on correcting my hernia, once for a ruptured eardrum and once concerning my ulcer. I can't remember meeting any non-smoker my age who can honestly say he has been less of a strain on the healthcare system than I have. I smoke in moderation and I drink in moderation. The only "vice" in which I indulge extensively is the chasing of wild women when I can find one who can keep up with me. Don't concern yourself with trying to quit smoking - I can practically guarantee that the mental anguish caused by trying to quit is far more dangerous than the "supposed" danger of smoking. If you have "friends" who do not accept you as a smoker, tell them good-by and go find friends who have some common sense. Remember - smoking is perfectly acceptable in EVERY civilized society.
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by Pete Gatti
on Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:36 am |
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There is nothing to re-think for me. I've been a smoker all my life and if I take after my father or grandfather I'll die a smoker in my 90's. I've smoked almost a half million cigarettes and have never spent a day in the hospital.
You lost your farm man, that's all those socialist pigs are good for, leaving a path of destruction where ever they go.
By the way, thanks to those scumbag extortionists, I'm now growing my own tobacco. It's a lot of work for a man my age but I gotta tell ya, it is the best tasting tobacco I ever had. |
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by neversurrender
on Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:32 am |
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Good for you, Pete! Hell, you might make it to a hundred. I expect to.
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by infinitethoughts
on Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:31 pm |
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Pete Gatti wrote: ........ it is the best tasting tobacco I ever had.
Well as the Aussies like t'say....Good on yer Mate !
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by Pete Gatti
on Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:18 pm |
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neversurrender wrote: Good for you, Pete! Hell, you might make it to a hundred. I expect to.
NEVER SURRENDER
Actually I expect to as well but what good would it do? Those anti-creeps would still list me as a smoking statistic. Ahhh ha ha ha!!!! |
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by pallmallit
on Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:03 pm |
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Drema wrote: Hello my name is Drema, I am from Oregon (one of the smoke Nazi states) and I am new. I am originally from Maryland where I was born and raised on a tobacco farm. My family began farming tobacco before 1600’s until the recent laws crushed four generations of farming. We once raised tobacco to trade among the English, and now we are reduced to selling our land . Needless to say, everyone’s freedom of choice has been taken away.
The reason I am stopping by today is because there is a need to help those who chose to smoke and those who wish to stop smoking but cant. I have been a smoker since I was 11, I am 44 now. In that time I have tried many times to stop smoking only to fail after stressful events and finding that the support I do get is the same basic protocols- Set a date, get rid of your ashtrays, reward yourself. My favorite program is Oregon’s quit support which consisted of 1-rubber band (to snap your wrist when an urge comes on) 1- rock (to rub when your stressed) and 1-toothpick (for oral fixation). Many of our states, doctors, and society is missing the point- these methods do not work. In looking at the number of people who try to quit and succeed, a large amount fail and soon become sick in part of the tar and chemicals they ingest over a life time. Many programs try to gulit us into quiting such as using children, insulting us by saying we smell, or we cost them too much money in health care and the only remedy is for us to stop smoking. Well, if we could stop we would and if we do not want to we shouldn’t.
I feel there needs to be a “rethinking” on how we smoke and treat cigarettes. For me, I do not want to quit because of athletics’ or because I get dirty looks, I could care less about people who judge others, so to use society as a reason to quit is not hitting on the core reason of smoking. I feel that instead of giving us those protocols and reasons, we need to put more thought into other causes that keeps us smoking. An example is in stress, if we can deal with a smoker who has personal issues that causes them to smoke or something feasible and grounded that can be linked to nicotine addiction than we can rethink the solution.
Another issue is in people who choose to smoke because they enjoy it, such as myself. I feel that research into better cigarette filters (such as the Nic-out) can reduce tar by 90 % or better. I cannot see why we cannot make a safer cigarette for those who are not ready to quit. I just feel that “quitting” is not the be-all and end-all to the smoking issue. I look forward to your replies.
I don't want no help either. I don't want to quit and I don't want nobody telling me what I should and should not do. If i wanted to quit that should be my decision and not some wanabe do gooder come up and telling me all the in and outs about smoking and how bad it is for my health.
I mean it's like thanks but no thanks I enjoy smoking . I am smoking right now as I write this .
so What! get out of my face and leave me alone. |
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by pallmallit
on Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:13 pm |
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pallmallit wrote: Drema wrote: Hello my name is Drema, I am from Oregon (one of the smoke Nazi states) and I am new. I am originally from Maryland where I was born and raised on a tobacco farm. My family began farming tobacco before 1600’s until the recent laws crushed four generations of farming. We once raised tobacco to trade among the English, and now we are reduced to selling our land . Needless to say, everyone’s freedom of choice has been taken away.
The reason I am stopping by today is because there is a need to help those who chose to smoke and those who wish to stop smoking but cant. I have been a smoker since I was 11, I am 44 now. In that time I have tried many times to stop smoking only to fail after stressful events and finding that the support I do get is the same basic protocols- Set a date, get rid of your ashtrays, reward yourself. My favorite program is Oregon’s quit support which consisted of 1-rubber band (to snap your wrist when an urge comes on) 1- rock (to rub when your stressed) and 1-toothpick (for oral fixation). Many of our states, doctors, and society is missing the point- these methods do not work. In looking at the number of people who try to quit and succeed, a large amount fail and soon become sick in part of the tar and chemicals they ingest over a life time. Many programs try to gulit us into quiting such as using children, insulting us by saying we smell, or we cost them too much money in health care and the only remedy is for us to stop smoking. Well, if we could stop we would and if we do not want to we shouldn’t.
I feel there needs to be a “rethinking” on how we smoke and treat cigarettes. For me, I do not want to quit because of athletics’ or because I get dirty looks, I could care less about people who judge others, so to use society as a reason to quit is not hitting on the core reason of smoking. I feel that instead of giving us those protocols and reasons, we need to put more thought into other causes that keeps us smoking. An example is in stress, if we can deal with a smoker who has personal issues that causes them to smoke or something feasible and grounded that can be linked to nicotine addiction than we can rethink the solution.
Another issue is in people who choose to smoke because they enjoy it, such as myself. I feel that research into better cigarette filters (such as the Nic-out) can reduce tar by 90 % or better. I cannot see why we cannot make a safer cigarette for those who are not ready to quit. I just feel that “quitting” is not the be-all and end-all to the smoking issue. I look forward to your replies.
I don't want no help either. I don't want to quit and I don't want nobody telling me what I should and should not do. If i wanted to quit that should be my decision and not some wannabe do good er come up and telling me all the in and outs about smoking and how bad it is for my health.
I mean it's like thanks but no thanks I enjoy smoking . I am smoking right now as I write this .
so What! get out of my face and leave me alone.
I don't want to rethink about it either and I don't need no psycho elevation on why I enjoy my tobacco > why do people over eat? cause it is good and they enjoy it. why do people do anything they like to do? Cause they enjoy it. Why do they enjoy things they do? Cause it brings them satisfaction. Satisfaction is GOOD! if it ain't broke don't fix it. |
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