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by libertarian99 on Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:00 am
gilster wrote:
Just say no to 'Cap & Trade'
Got any good Web sites that explain how Cap & Trade works? I keep hearing that term thrown around but don't know much about it.
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by runamok on Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:25 am
libertarian99 wrote:
gilster wrote:
Just say no to 'Cap & Trade'
Got any good Web sites that explain how Cap & Trade works? I keep hearing that term thrown around but don't know much about it.

In a nutshell:

The gov't will set a "cap" on the total amount of carbon dioxide that U.S. manufacturers can discharge. Each individual plant would be allowed "x" amount of carbon dioxide emissions. Exceed that amount and that business pays a penalty (tax) on it OR, you can buy (this is the "trade" part) more discharge capacity (carbon credits) from plants that stayed below their limits.

The limits will be set low enough that it will be impossible for most manufacturers to stay within these limits and carry on with business as usual. The added costs of production due to the "tax" that has to be paid will, naturally, be passed on to the consumer.

The gov't can now pick winners and losers and effect a form of wealth redistribution by setting high limits for politically correct industries (windmill manufacturers, ethanol plants, etc), and low limits for "evil" industries (petroleum, cigarettes, etc.).

The bottom line is, this will be a new tax on every American if it becomes law.


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by gilster on Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:26 am
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/capandtrade/index?tab=articles

Free Republic is a conservative website where people post articles and others comment under them.

This link is specific to the tag: cap and trade
It's a compilation of articles about Cap and Trade (or references within other articles that are seemingly not about Cap and Trade in the title, but is buried within the text)

This link is for the tag:Global Warming
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/globalwarming/index?tab=articles

And, just for you libertarian99 - tag:libertarian
(BTW - I'm a Conservatarian)
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/libertarian/index?tab=articles
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by libertarian99 on Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:41 am
runamok wrote:
libertarian99 wrote:
gilster wrote:
Just say no to 'Cap & Trade'
Got any good Web sites that explain how Cap & Trade works? I keep hearing that term thrown around but don't know much about it.

In a nutshell:

The gov't will set a "cap" on the total amount of carbon dioxide that U.S. manufacturers can discharge. Each individual plant would be allowed "x" amount of carbon dioxide emissions. Exceed that amount and that business pays a penalty (tax) on it OR, you can buy (this is the "trade" part) more discharge capacity (carbon credits) from plants that stayed below their limits.
So who's going to keep track of the score on all this? And how will companies find other companies to buy credits from? Will the feds have to set up something like the New York Stock Exchange for the trading part, or are they planning to use eBay?

Just kidding about eBay. But wait! Would it work?
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by gilster on Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:59 am
libertarian99 wrote:
So who's going to keep track of the score on all this? And how will companies find other companies to buy credits from?


This Cap and Tax crap is UN driven
Just say no to the Copenhagen Climate change treaty~ Coming this December...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/16/obama-poised-to-cede-us-sovereignty-in-copenhagen-claims-british-lord-monckton/

~snip~
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38. The scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three basic pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism, and the basic organization of which will include the following:

World Government (heading added)
a) The government will be ruled by the COP with the support of a new subsidiary body on adaptation, and of an Executive Board responsible for the management of the new funds and the related facilitative processes and bodies. The current Convention secretariat will operate as such, as appropriate.

To Redistribute Wealth (heading added)
b) The Convention’s financial mechanism will include a multilateral climate change fund including five windows: (a) an Adaptation window, (b) a Compensation window, to address loss and damage from climate change impacts [read: the "climate debt" Monckton refers to], including insurance, rehabilitation and compensatory components, © a Technology window; (d) a Mitigation window; and (e) a REDD window, to support a multi-phases process for positive forest incentives relating to REDD actions.

With Enforcement Authority (heading added)
c) The Convention’s facilitative mechanism will include: (a) work programmes for adaptation and mitigation; (b) a long-term REDD process; © a short-term technology action plan; (d) an expert group on adaptation established by the subsidiary body on adaptation, and expert groups on mitigation, technologies and on monitoring, reporting and verification; and (e) an international registry for the monitoring, reporting and verification of compliance of emission reduction commitments, and the transfer of technical and financial resources from developed countries to developing countries. The secretariat will provide technical and administrative support, including a new centre for information exchange [read; enforcement].
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