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by Pete Gatti
on Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:31 pm |
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violetfae wrote:
This guy is not a politician but he is a doctor. Maybe someone should tell him about SCHIP.
Stanton Glantz is an engineer who was awarded an honorary Doctorate in medicine. In my book he's no doctor, he's just a low-life social engineer pretending to be a statistician. |
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by smallbird
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by libertarian99
on Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:47 am |
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libertarian99 wrote: I think the medical photos will create a black market in untaxed cigarettes in plain boxes, because it's going to be the last straw for an awful lot of people. In Canada, they had to back off on excessive taxation because a huge number of people started buying smuggled, tax-free cigarettes. The crime rate went way up as more and more average, taxpaying citizens lost respect for the law. People started practicing civil disobedience on a massive scale.
Check out the following link for an interesting article about how cigarette smuggling funds terrorism.
http://www.mipt.org/terrorism-and-tobacco-how-cigarettes-finance-jihad-and-insurgency-worldwide
In other words, these groups have a lot to gain financially if the normal channels for tobacco sales become intolerable to large numbers of people. Repulsive photos would definitely be a good way to drive traffic to the black market, and the strategy is just so -- terroristic. I am convinced this latest strategy was not concocted by normal people with reasonable standards of human decency.
It's all just too sinister... |
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by runamok
on Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:12 am |
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libertarian99 wrote: I am convinced this latest strategy was not concocted by normal people with reasonable standards of human decency. It's all just too sinister...
You are certainly correct but way off base with your foreign terrorist conspiracy theory.
Anti-smoking is domestic terrorism that is driven by blind ideology and, in my opinion, is far more dangerous than foreign terrorists. Their brand of terrorism comes from within and is cloaked in good intentions. They use the children as pawns and spread insidious propaganda that the masses buy into with great enthusiasm. They are incrementally, and almost imperceptibly to the vast majority, chipping away at the very foundations of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Foreign terrorists make no bones about their intentions. |
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by libertarian99
on Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:51 pm |
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runamok wrote: Anti-smoking is domestic terrorism that is driven by blind ideology and, in my opinion, is far more dangerous than foreign terrorists. Their brand of terrorism comes from within and is cloaked in good intentions. They use the children as pawns and spread insidious propaganda that the masses buy into with great enthusiasm. They are incrementally, and almost imperceptibly to the vast majority, chipping away at the very foundations of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. |
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by runamok
on Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:06 am |
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libertarian99 wrote: The photos are intended to shock and traumatize smokers and inflict as much mental anguish as possible.
Exactly....and this just goes to show why their insidious brand of terrorism is much more dangerous than some suicide bomber loose in NY. A suicide bombing would actually cause people to join together, rise up, and fight the threat to our way of life.
Anti-smoking and their ilk (junk food warriors, MADD, and the "green" movement just to mention a few) hide behind "the public good" and "the children" to enact laws and policies that will, incrementally over time, strip us all of our constitutional rights with nary a shot fired. We've already lost many constitutional protections in the areas of DWI and controlled substance (drug) laws.
As testament to anti's pervasiveness and effectiveness, the gruesome images that will soon appear on tobacco products will, sadly, be accepted and even praised by the masses, including many, if not most, smokers. Politicians of all stripes will celebrate them and will probably campaign to expand the policies to include alcoholic beverages and politically un-favored foods. |
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by libertarian99
on Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:25 pm |
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runamok wrote: libertarian99 wrote: The photos are intended to shock and traumatize smokers and inflict as much mental anguish as possible.
Exactly....and this just goes to show why their insidious brand of terrorism is much more dangerous than some suicide bomber loose in NY. A suicide bombing would actually cause people to join together, rise up, and fight the threat to our way of life.
Anti-smoking and their ilk (junk food warriors, MADD, and the "green" movement just to mention a few) hide behind "the public good" and "the children" to enact laws and policies that will, incrementally over time, strip us all of our constitutional rights with nary a shot fired. We've already lost many constitutional protections in the areas of DWI and controlled substance (drug) laws.
As testament to anti's pervasiveness and effectiveness, the gruesome images that will soon appear on tobacco products will, sadly, be accepted and even praised by the masses, including many, if not most, smokers. Politicians of all stripes will celebrate them and will probably campaign to expand the policies to include alcoholic beverages and politically un-favored foods.
Of course, the government isn't thinking about the law of unintended consequences, which is always at work like a mischievous gremlin botching up people's best laid plans. I'm sure the government hasn't considered what would happen if smokers were so overwhelmed with fear and disgust, they felt compelled to flush their empty cigarette packages down the nearest public toilet.
Of course, we law-abiding smokers would never intentionally create that kind of chaos... |
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by flex
on Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:04 am |
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Quote: No one who looks at the photos can associate these images with any kind of caring or compassionate impulse. The obvious goal is mental abuse.
This pressure is coming from the WHO tobacco treaty signed by nearly every country in the world.
It's main purpose is to make the cost of legal cigarettes a bit more expensive, put more pressure on smokers to quit by making them look foolish, even stupid. As if the overwhelming majority of smokers do not know that the poison is in the dose.
Also make it appear more acceptable to promote intolerance against smokers.
This B/S been around for many years in Canada, yet to meet any smokers in person who feels that it will encourage them to quit. Yes, read about them and heard comments from sick minds in search for a healthy body many times but as usual, the people I know personally and use the product have a different opinion than the one promoted by the mainstream media.
In Canada presently the Health Reich of Canada want to start using more gruesome pictures to replace the ones few people even look it.
A cigarette holder takes care of those warnings all smokers pay for.
lol;
A friend told me that His relative keep those empty packs to flush them down the toilet at some carefully selected places.
Been told that it can cause a mess.
Interesting concept if it catches on provided enough smokers starting to have enough of being picked on.
Sounds like a juvenile prank but this guy is a grandfather.
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by libertarian99
on Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:42 am |
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flex wrote: A friend told me that His relative keep those empty packs to flush them down the toilet at some carefully selected places.
Been told that it can cause a mess.
Interesting concept if it catches on provided enough smokers starting to have enough of being picked on.
Sounds like a juvenile prank but this guy is a grandfather.
After the plumbing was fixed, locks were placed on all the restroom doors, and the people on each floor were given only the combination to the restroom on their own floor. That meant people could no longer drop into any restroom on the way in or out of the building, but instead had to climb or descend one or more flights of stairs to get to their own designated restroom.
I'm not sure why the government thinks smokers will act like sane, reasonable adults while in the throes of government-induced mental anguish. These people actually sit in rooms with test subjects hooked up to electrodes to see which photos cause the most mental and emotional pain. Wouldn't it be logical to expect people suffering from that kind of mental pain to act out in unpredictable ways, such as strapping a bomb around their waist and marching into the nearest state legislature?
I'm just kidding, of course. I would never encourage anyone to do that... |
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by Steve57
on Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:25 am |
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Hi all,
I haven't been here for awhile, and my apologies if someone's already suggested this, but if this sort of nonsense bothers you, why not just buy (or make) a cigarette case?
I do understand the outrage well, but I've also found that a sense of humor helps. I can't help poking fun at these ridiculous tactics. Please remember that the people of Nazi-occupied countries experienced the same thing - solely because of an insane group intent on world domination. Fortunately, all of the would-be negative utopias lie in the dustbin of history... |
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