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by gilster
on Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:42 am |
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"No Smoking" signs are a feel good measure, the underlying problem is the building systems.
Flex is right, electrical is first, followed by kitchen fires. You can't pull the electricity or take out all the stoves - that wouldn't 'feel good'
And Kitchen fires, for a great majority, are a result of drunk operators that start something on the cook top and forget about it and fall asleep.
I was being 'flip' with my previous comment, but that is because the petition screamed 'let's do something- let's feel good'. It's nannyism and control over others behaviors so we can 'feel good' and look like we've 'done something'.
You would have done nothing except to take away peoples private liberties. A liberty that isn't the issue of the fire but an end point of a distracted and most probably drunk individual who smoked instead of cooked or enjoyed a candle night evening. |
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by garhkal
on Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:11 pm |
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gilster wrote: IYou know that most people who "fall asleep" and start a fire with a cigarette ember are DRUNK.
So I would suggest that you ban drinking to excess in the apartment complex - the best way would be to ration all alcohol intake to 2 drink units per day - to equal 14 units per week.
Agreed. I smoke in my bed, and other than dropping some ash on the blanket, i have YET to drop anything that causes even a flar up. Drinking in the above situation was MORE of a threat than smoking was.
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Well, there's your problem right there - no automatic sprinklers or fire suppression systems. What you need to do is go to the town or county and get them to raise homeowners taxes to retrofit the apartments for safety - apparently the non-profit corporation doesn't give a damn about their tenants.
Also, make sure to write in your petition to ban candles by these tenants, drunk tenants knock over candles too. Also any type of BBQ equipment unless it's, Oh, 50 feet away from any windows or doors, just in case people who are signing this thing want no smoke to be smelled -smoke is smoke.
Agreed. If we are goig whole hock on the no fire hazards then we also need to remove heaters, electric blankets (had one causes a bed fire back in 87), and kettles.
[quote]Had my fair share of hearing "reasonable request", followed by "polite demands", followed by bans galore with no exception.
Yup. Down in Biloxi, they recently passed a ban on smoking in any outdoor park area. This came about cause of one school girl's desie to see her parents quit, but all they did was go accross the road to where there is a park.. So she wanted the park shut ddown from smoking in.... THAT is why we have issues with things like this Cece. All the time we see an anti want something done just for the good (in their opinion) of something, then it balloons out to what we have now.
Quote: It's nannyism and control over others behaviors so we can 'feel good' and look like we've 'done something'.
Agreed. And while bannig smoking in old folks homes MAY help stop a fire now and then, unless you also an all the other stuff that causes fires, which have been listed, it is just that a "feel good" measure. |
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by libertarian99
on Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:17 pm |
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gilster wrote: "No Smoking" signs are a feel good measure, the underlying problem is the building systems.
Flex is right, electrical is first, followed by kitchen fires. You can't pull the electricity or take out all the stoves - that wouldn't 'feel good'
And Kitchen fires, for a great majority, are a result of drunk operators that start something on the cook top and forget about it and fall asleep.
I was being 'flip' with my previous comment, but that is because the petition screamed 'let's do something- let's feel good'. It's nannyism and control over others behaviors so we can 'feel good' and look like we've 'done something'.
You would have done nothing except to take away peoples private liberties. A liberty that isn't the issue of the fire but an end point of a distracted and most probably drunk individual who smoked instead of cooked or enjoyed a candle night evening.
I thought smoke alarms were included in building codes nowadays. If they're not, they should be. No matter whose unit a fire starts in, all the other residents have a right to know there is a fire in the building that could spread to their apartment.
In an apartment complex, even if the drunk individual was too far gone to hear the smoke alarm, it's likely that one or more other residents would hear it going off through the walls. |
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by libertarian99
on Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:27 pm |
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gilster wrote: Flex is right, electrical is first, followed by kitchen fires. You can't pull the electricity or take out all the stoves - that wouldn't 'feel good'
And Kitchen fires, for a great majority, are a result of drunk operators that start something on the cook top and forget about it and fall asleep.
Luckily, I had set the heat on very low and the only damage was a ruined pot. I have never been so relieved to see a bunch of charred, useless green beans in my life. After that, I never cooked on the stove without setting the timer. It's just too easy to get caught up in something else and forget about the food on the stove. |
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by gilster
on Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:05 am |
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Libertarian, you should be banned from cooking - lol
I've done that too - ruined a nice pot in the process. |
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