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by Cantiloper
on Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:01 pm |
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Slearwig wrote, "Mr. Reiner championed a cigarette tax of $0.50 a pack some 11 years ago with the intents of doing so to discourage the habit."
Actually, I believe he also championed it to get money pumped into his antismoking group.
Most of the push for "smoke-free movies" (google it) comes from Stanton Glantz. I believe he actually got something on the order of ten million dollars to push that agenda through his group ("Smoke-Free Movies"). They've got all sorts of bogus studies with gross defects that supposedly show that kids who see smoking in movies are more likely to become smokers and the the "seeing" is the causative factor. Occasionally they'll throw in some stats about "smoking related scenes" occurring more often in "children's films" and try to pass it off as a Big Tobacco plot. They never mention the fact that since so many more movies are G, PG, or PG-13 that THAT is the reason there are more numerical occurrences, nor that a lot of those occurrences are either negative in nature or involve nothing more sinister than an ashtray, a mention of someone smoking, or even a no-smoking sign! They also never offer anything on the "Big Tobacco plot" as evidence other than what BT did 20 or 30 years ago as the same sort of standard product placement thing every big company tries for.
The previous head of the MPAA was furious at the idea that they'd try to censor movies and pretty much slammed the door in their faces despite their money and propaganda, but I think his successor caved in and allowed some consideration in the movie ratings. The key here is that if they can get smoking movies rated R then studios will bend over backward to avoid smoking because the audiences for the other films are much larger.
Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"
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by Slearwig
on Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:16 pm |
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Oh yeah, Reiner was the head of the group after it won the vote which financed them, and though I can't say for sure and unless you or someone knows different, I suspect it was/is Mr. Reiner who makes the antismoking ads that we are Still Seeing on t.v. in spite of the State budget crisis.
Crisis? What crisis? |
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by garhkal
on Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:42 pm |
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Smoker Sympathizer wrote: Well said Pete,
And imagine the horror of the children seeing that non-smoking coworkers weren't rioting to stop those evil smokers. Imagine them watching people with different outlooks on life getting along. We can't have that. We can't have the children believing in such nightmarish stuff as tolerance and compromise. They might actually start to practice it in their lives if they see it enough and that would be extremely detrimental to the anti's mission to raise a generation who whines and sues whenever they don't get their own way.
"What, smokers and non smokers working in the same office! HOW dare they!!!"
Quote: I believe overprotecting children is as harmful as underprotecting them. Let me first start off by saying that I have no children and thus no firsthand experience. I know in my heart though that the vast vast majority of parents love their children more than anything and genuinely want to do right by them.
Case and point. letting them out to play in the mud and dirt. HOW many of us as kids did that? Look at those now a days, and see the contrast. THEN compare how many of us had colds constantly, or other illnesses, to those kids of today, and i will bet the numbers are well over double. IMO that is down to too many rules about what we can and cannot let our kids get into, and therefore their imune systems have not had a chance to build up.
Then you get into the whole playground frakas. How many kids of OUR era were fat? Compare that to today, and te numbers are outrageous.
Quote: However, the fact that there are even people out there who think smoking around a child constitutes child abuse, makes me wonder how far off the rails we've gone as a society. Now do I advocate sitting a child down in an enclosed area and blowing smoking in his/her face? Of course not. But I really don't see anything wrong with a smoking parent smoking in his/her own home with a child present in the same room. My grandfather did that with me in the next chair and I turned out fine, more than fine actually. I'm just afraid that one day there will be a law that a parent can not smoke in the house if a child is present.
Look out. They are already there. Like with the no smoking in cars if a kid is present.
Quote: That rule will have its own built-in punishment. What will happen is there will be fewer people applying to foster or adopt. A few will quit smoking, but many smokers will be so offended by the rule, they will find some other way to become parents, such as surrogacy, in vitro, etc. Others will feel so ashamed, they will give up the idea of parenting at all, convinced they really are evil and don't deserve to have a family.
The new rule will do nothing to encourage more non-smokers to adopt, so the net result will be fewer people who are willing to parent these children.
And all in all, it will be the children who pay. Staying in what ever hostles they have over there (as well as over here) before getting into foster care imo is doing them a disservice. How many kids have we heard about who turned into shit cause of that?
Quote: No. What will probably happen is that the government will hike tobacco taxes for the care of the orphans.
I wouldn't put it past them, though i would love to see their argument for why that would pass..
Quote: For example, I don't want to get off topic, but I've noticed in recent years that whenever a man and woman are in competition, the woman always seems to get the upper hand and men tend to get portrayed disproportionately as either dumb or greedy (a giant disclaimer, I know this doesn't apply to everything and I am generalizing; it's just an observation). I don't think it stems from the characters themselves; I think it stems from moviemaker's fear of being labeled anti-feminist. As a woman this offends me greatl
IMO that is part and parcel of the feminist movement. Just like when you see guys in films helping womrn, it is ALWAYS with the ulterior motive of getting in their pants.. |
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by person
on Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:13 pm |
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Please excuse me for not reading this entire thread, but a recent example of a smoker being the good guy is in Frost/Nixon David Frost is seen smoking cigars quite frequently. So I guess there's a little hope there.  |
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by Smoker Sympathizer
on Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:12 am |
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| "A Walk on the Moon" was a good one too. It's set in the late 60's and smoking was shown as something people just did. Sometimes when I watch movies set in a historical time I feel like I'm visiting a museum of freedom. |
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by airborne201
on Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:46 pm |
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| there was nothing beautiful about spiraling smoke. are u kidding me? |
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by Pete Gatti
on Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:23 am |
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airborne201 wrote: there was nothing beautiful about spiraling smoke. are u kidding me?
Your big mistake is in thinking everyone should think like you. That might be fine for herd animals like goats but intelligent humans tend to think as individuals. |
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