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by infinitethoughts
on Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:13 pm |
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by flex
on Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:43 pm |
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"Angiogenix is derived from the tobacco plant. Commonly known as nicotine, it is the active form of the (-) s-isomer. Recently investigators have begun to look at the potentially beneficial effects of purified nicotine in an alternative formulation and at doses far below that ingested by smoking. "
As common sense tells me; The poison is in the dose, as well as the fact that the reaction of the human body to a drug, any drug will not be the same for everybody. Tolerance levels for substances as well as genetic factors matters.
Naturally, the nico nazi movement blanket anti tobacco stand will allow only statements like; " the potentially beneficial effects of purified nicotine in an alternative formulation and at doses far below that ingested by smoking."
Otherwise; the SHS issue would be exposed to be what it is, a fraud.
A 5 cigarette a day smoker using " Nic-Not" or similar disposable cigarette filters in addition to the filter which comes with most cigarettes WILL in fact get that far below doses mentioned here.
Legal drug pushers in white coats can not and will not allow competition from others and even a plant based "medicine" looked upon to be inferior to their chemical alternatives.
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Purified nicotine in an alternative formulation manufactured by Big Pharma will help, cure, good, acceptable and makes You well and healthy.
Even electronic cigarettes which have nothing to do with tobacco is an enemy.
Interesting articles though and Phillips Morris is off my list of cigarettes I will enjoy in the future.
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by Pete Gatti
on Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:07 pm |
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flex wrote:
Interesting articles though and Phillips Morris is off my list of cigarettes I will enjoy in the future.
flex
Good. I wish they would go bankrupt, I would love to see them beg for a bailout. |
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by libertarian99
on Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:16 pm |
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This actually makes me ill. Haven't they been telling us all this time that smoking is bad for your heart and damages your blood vessels? Isn't the American Heart Association one of the major organizations involved in the antismoking movement?
Here we are, living in a country where the health care system is wrecked and the government can't find any affordable solutions, and yet they're hell-bent on outlawing tobacco and forcing everyone to turn to the health care system, which a large percentage of the population can't even access, to get the same chemicals that we were previously smoking because we KNEW we were getting physical benefits.
Money drives people insane. |
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by Smoker Sympathizer
on Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:16 am |
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| I'm curious as to how the average smoker views his/her tobacco company of choice. Are you angry with them for pandering to the anti's and selling you out? Do you blame them for the high prices? Do you think they're just an industry trying to survive? How do you see them? |
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by libertarian99
on Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:25 am |
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Smoker Sympathizer wrote: I'm curious as to how the average smoker views his/her tobacco company of choice. Are you angry with them for pandering to the anti's and selling you out? Do you blame them for the high prices? Do you think they're just an industry trying to survive? How do you see them?
A very good movie about this subject is "The Corporation." Here's a link to it:
http://www.thecorporation.com/index.cfm?page_id=2
Here's a link to the book on which the movie was based:
http://www.thecorporation.com/index.cfm?page_id=47
And here's what Noam Chomsky had to say about the book:
"This fine book was virtually begging to be written. With lucidity and verve, expert knowledge and incisive analysis, Joel Bakan unveils the history and the character of a devilish instrument that has been created and is nurtured by powerful modern states.
They have endowed their creature with the rights of persons -- and by now, rights far exceeding persons of flesh and blood -- but a person that is pathological by nature and by law, and systematically crushes democracy, freedom, rights, and the natural human instincts on which a decent life and even human survival depends: the modern corporation.
This incisive study should be read carefully, and pondered. And it should be a stimulus to constructive action -- not at all beyond our means, as the author outlines."
-- Noam Chomsky |
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by Pete Gatti
on Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:23 pm |
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Smoker Sympathizer wrote: I'm curious as to how the average smoker views his/her tobacco company of choice. Are you angry with them for pandering to the anti's and selling you out? Do you blame them for the high prices? Do you think they're just an industry trying to survive? How do you see them?
Phillips Morris is without question the worst, only company in history to advertise against its own product.
The others are doing exactly as expected, maximizing profits while riding out the anti-tobacco movement.
All in all, I can't be too mad because the MSA left the tobacco companies with no escape route. It was an offer they couldn't refuse because the alternative of being tied up in court for years being sued individually by 48 states was far worst. It was truly a gang bang.
As for my tobacco company of choice, Stokers RYO, they're just about out of business thanks to SCHIP. My supplier no longer carries it and only one place I found on the internet wants $65 a 1 lb. bag. I had been paying $15.70 a bag so that's nuts. |
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by flex
on Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:31 am |
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Quote: I'm curious as to how the average smoker views his/her tobacco company of choice. Are you angry with them for pandering to the anti's and selling you out? Do you blame them for the high prices? Do you think they're just an industry trying to survive? How do you see them?
I suspect, my comment is also shared by many smokers in the US, however this post is about Canadian tobacco companies simply because I am more familiar with them.
At first, tobacco companies here were viewed by the majority of smokers simply being in an industry which provided a product which was not healthy when over used.
As the bans gained momentum, the majority of smokers even started to view tobacco companies to be more of a victim than a villain. A brilliant move was to provide a 2 million dollar funding to an organization called; MyChoice.
Made some impact for a while.
Was a good start. Did not last. Could had been much better.
The funding is history, so is MyChoice for all practical purposes although a small discussion forum exist in Canada operated by CAGE, 2CL and MyChoice.
Today in Canada, few smokers have much sympathy toward the tobacco companies, even less "brand"
loyalty. Viewed by most as an industry which caved in and do whatever it takes to be allowed to squeeze as much profit out of smokers as possible while do whatever it needed to remain in that position. That original and only funding is now going toward "fighting" against "illegal tobacco".
If any or all go under, few will shed any tears, provided tobacco will be available from ANY other source.
A remote possibility of a government run and controlled tobacco industry may result.
Contra bend tobacco sales in Canada is higher than in the US as far as I can see.
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by Darkseid
on Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:00 pm |
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