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by Tsujiban
on Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:33 pm |
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I'm never going to completely abandon cigarettes. Lighting up is my Patriotic Duty. Sic semper tyrannus and all that.
But I came across the NJOY product and some other ones, and am curious about them. Anybody tried them? They claim that a $2.50 nicotine cartridge lasts as long as a pack of smokes, which appeals to me money-wise if it is true.
Do these things count as smoking in terms of the bans? Can I smoke an electric cigarette in a restaurant? As I understand it, there is no actual smoke, just water vapor, so it is not "smoking" in the literal sense right?
I'm sure this is just wishful thinking on my part...
Anybody tried these things? I'm interested in hearing any opinions on this.
Here is a link for anybody who may not have heard of them (I just found out about these myself):
http://www.electroniccigarettereview.com/reviews/reviews-by-manufacturer-supplier |
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by garhkal
on Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:21 pm |
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| I have seen them in many choke and pukes (roadside eateries and gas stops) along the highways, but never found anyone who uses them to ask... |
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by activist0000
on Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:14 pm |
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I got one of the NJOY eCigs first, and then I bought a second eCig from a company in Canada, since I thought they would probably be banned. Last time I checked, NJOY had all their replacement cartridges on hold, as they were tied up in some kind of lawsuit. I didn't have any trouble getting an eCig, cartridges and liquid from Canada, and it was cheaper than NJOY. I also ordered Smoke Juice from Johnson Creek through Amazon.com and had no problem getting it. Amazon also had NJOY cartridges in stock. I figure the FDA is going to ban it, so better lay up a supply.
The eCigs are okay. I like being able to sit in front of my computer and take an occasional drag. I've cut down on cigs but every once in awhile, I still want the real thing and the eCig just doesn't hit the spot. Plus it's a pain to keep recharging the battery and adding liquid to the cartridge. It seems like the batteries don't last long.
So I would say it's an okay alternative. It's best to keep your options open because you never know what's going to be banned or what's going to be available in the future. Since I got the eCig, though, I've really started to doubt whether or not nicotine is what I'm really after when I smoke. If so, then the eCig should give me the same sense of enjoyment as a regular cig, and it doesn't.
If you're thinking about getting one, keep in mind they might be banned soon. If you're going to invest the money on the starter kit, better lay up a supply of liquid, too, or you may have an expensive eCig sitting there with nothing to go in it. |
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by runamok
on Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:35 pm |
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Tsujiban - How are sales?
I haven't tried an e-cig but I would if somebody gave me a free sample. I'm not taking the hundred dollar or so plunge for the starter kit without knowing exactly what I'm getting into beforehand.
That said, I do like that these things blindsided anti and her Big Pharma benefactors. Forced them to show one of their hole cards. Their ranting and raving about e-cigs has put their hypocrisy on display for those who are actually paying attention to what's going on which, granted, is a fairly small minority of the public. In fact, I read something the other day which applies here:
"Most people walk around clueless about what laws are being debated, even when their daily life is hanging in the balance." (I've been dying to use it. Thanks activist0000)
Anyway, I find it quite entertaining to watch anti and pharma scrambling about, trying to ban e-cigs without showing their entire hand. |
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by Tsujiban
on Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:49 pm |
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activist -- thanks for the info... as I said I only just heard about these things from my wife the other day. Given that there is talk of banning them, I think I'm gonna hold off. My junk drawers are already full of legacy tech.  But thanks very much for the info. And your comment that somehow the eCig is not duplicating the whole smoking effect is the kind of firsthand account I was looking for. I imagine there might be other active components of cigarette smoke that affect the brain other than nicotine?
Besides--smoking is cool, I don't care what the douchebags say. To be honest, I kinda imagined feeling a little... dorky... drawing on something that looks like a fancy pen. But thanks for the info.
runamok... I get the impression you think I am a salesman for these things? Nope. I'm an unemployed, recovering Unix System Administrator by trade. My wife and I actually tried to start an online biz a few years ago and it turns out I am a *lousy* salesman.
Your comments (and others I've seen from past messages here) about "Big Pharma" are interesting to me. The truth is, I only got *really* mad about smokers rights a few days ago, when this *god* *damned* FSC thing hit Colorado where I live. I found the whole anti-smoking thing annoying, but I don't go to bars anymore, and I don't smoke when I eat, so the restaurant thing didn't really bother me, and outdoors, I basically ignore the signs and smoke wherever I *fking please*, so I just hadn't had to confront this whole thing. But I hadn't thought at all about the Pharms having an angle on this whole issue until I read some posts here. Good food for thought for me, thank you. Big money goes around the world...
I used to laugh at the Denis Leary (and Bill Hicks before him) routines about the War On Smokers, I thought it was just another wacky bunch of noise, another culture fad that would pass sooner or later, since it was so *obviously*... crazy... Un-American... but I'm not laughing anymore... it just seems unreal to me. And I just can't shake the feeling of, "what the hell are they gonna pull *next*?"
I mean, when I read in a mainstream news story about the recent bill that passed, where they were openly saying their goal is a tobacco-free America by 2015... I mean, I can practically hear Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone music... I still have trouble actually believing it... what the hell *happened* to my country?!!!
My mom (who smoked her whole life, almost 60 years) had a sign on her desk that read:
I SMOKE.
THANK YOU FOR NOT BITCHING.
...I think I might have that made into a T-Shirt. Remember the good old days when it was just polite signs like "Thank You For Not Smoking"? Man are *those* days gone...
Thanks both of you for your comments.
Regards,
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by libertarian99
on Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:28 pm |
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Tsujiban wrote: I used to laugh at the Denis Leary (and Bill Hicks before him) routines about the War On Smokers, I thought it was just another wacky bunch of noise, another culture fad that would pass sooner or later, since it was so *obviously*... crazy... Un-American... but I'm not laughing anymore... it just seems unreal to me. And I just can't shake the feeling of, "what the hell are they gonna pull *next*?"
I mean, when I read in a mainstream news story about the recent bill that passed, where they were openly saying their goal is a tobacco-free America by 2015... I mean, I can practically hear Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone music... I still have trouble actually believing it... what the hell *happened* to my country?!!!
Can you imagine that happening today? It would be unthinkable today for any non-smoker to say they didn't care whether or not you smoked in the office. It's hard to believe there was ever a time when people worked things out amongst themselves like that.
I used to get email notifications about pending legislation from My Smoker's Rights Web site, which is run by R.J. Reynolds. They made it really easy to contact my legislators any time there was a tobacco-related bill coming up for a vote. I didn't get any notifications about the FDA legislation or the mail trafficking legislation. Did someone put a stop to their email alerts? |
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by alist
on Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:42 pm |
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I have two sets of the e-cigs, but one set has a dead atomizer. They certainly work as advertised, given I used them to quit smoking. However, the maintenance is a pain in the behind. Whenever you leave the house, you must carry the e-cig, a spare battery, e-liquid and possibly a charger, depending on where you are going and how long you will be gone.
That's why I switched to snus. I just throw a snus tin in my back pocket and am good to go. I still hit my e-cig, although it is late at night, right before bed, because I don't care to waste a snus portion before going to sleep. |
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by garhkal
on Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:21 pm |
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Quote: Can you imagine that happening today? It would be unthinkable today for any non-smoker to say they didn't care whether or not you smoked in the office. It's hard to believe there was ever a time when people worked things out amongst themselves like that.
Yup. We have gotten so far away from people solving issues themselves, to making it the govt/ some one elses job to do that for us, that imo if the govt went away, i doubt people would be able to do for themselves... |
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by libertarian99
on Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:28 pm |
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alist wrote: I have two sets of the e-cigs, but one set has a dead atomizer. They certainly work as advertised, given I used them to quit smoking. However, the maintenance is a pain in the behind. Whenever you leave the house, you must carry the e-cig, a spare battery, e-liquid and possibly a charger, depending on where you are going and how long you will be gone.
That's why I switched to snus. I just throw a snus tin in my back pocket and am good to go. I still hit my e-cig, although it is late at night, right before bed, because I don't care to waste a snus portion before going to sleep.
The NJOY is already on the blink. The tip lights up when I draw on the eCig, but it stays lit even after I quit drawing on it. After a certain number of seconds pass with the tip still lit, the tip starts blinking. That's the signal that tells me I'm drawing on the eCig too long, but of course I'm not. The light is just somehow stuck.
I started refilling the cartridges on both eCigs instead of replacing them to save money. Don't know if that messed them up, but they are way too expensive to be on the blink this fast. I'm reluctant to spend more money on them if that's all the longer they hold up.
It's too bad because they were perfect for use in the car. No worries about any smoke smell on your clothes when you arrive at your destination. I haven't figured out how to use the SNUs yet without getting a light brown patina on my teeth. I'm also a heavy coffee drinker, so dental stains are a constant daily battle for me. |
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