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by seabooty on Tue May 19, 2009 1:30 am

With 90% of health care going to problems from being overweight, why do they want people to quit smoking? When you quit, you gain lots of weight, then you are in the 90% group instead of the other 10% that is partly smokers. There is $140 billion spent on health care for obesity, and only 100 mil spent on smokers. If companies want to fire people who smoke, why don't they fire the fatsos first? That is who is costing them.
I have also noticed these clean air freaks all drive around in their cars spewing out exhaust fumes without a care in the world. But let somebody light up 20 feet away and they are choking to death. We need to demonstrate this by closing them in a garage for one hour with 20 smokers, then one hour with their car running. You have to demonstrate the smokers first because they won't live to do it the other way around.
I think it should be unconstitutional to ban smoking outside anywhere. Isn't there a legal way out? How can towns ban smoking anywhere in the city limits? They are doing it, and nothing is being done. Why can't the smokers get together and start their own war? Maybe we should start pushing for a fat tax, $50 a month for every 5 lbs. you're overweight. If they want a real sin tax that's it. How about a restaurant tax for serving heavy cream and butter? Evil or Very Mad

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by seabooty on Tue May 19, 2009 2:28 am

I no longer live in Alabama, but in that state they have numerous bars that are "private clubs", they designate as private to get around the laws that forbid bars to be open after 2AM. So they are open 24/7. In order to become a member you simply fill out a membership card. I wonder if that private club rule could be used elsewhere. Those private clubs do not have to follow the general law, and could (and do) allow smoking. I live in Florida now, I would be interested to know if anyone has any input on that.

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by runamok on Tue May 19, 2009 6:19 am

seabooty wrote:

Most of the smoking bans include "private" clubs.

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by seabooty on Tue May 19, 2009 9:02 am

Even so, it would be worth looking in to. How can you find out what states do not ban smoking in private clubs? There could be a way to start private smoking clubs. After all there are still tobacco stores, and you can smoke in them.
I live within 20 miles of a state that allows smoking in restaurants, we only dine out there. Of course that's only going to last so long.
I have been a law abiding tax payer all my life, I object to laws that turn me into a criminal, for doing a legal act!!!

I can clearly see these laws starting a whole new type of real criminal acts though, black market cigarettes, hijacking cigarette trucks, and burgularising stores with cigarettes to sell them on the black market. More theft and robbery to get cigarettes. Poor people neglecting other needs to buy cigarettes. These taxes and bans are going to make cigarettes a hot comodity.

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by JoshNJ on Tue May 19, 2009 9:14 am

seabooty wrote:

Here is a list of exceptions to the smoking ban in Alabama: http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeofAlabama/1975/22-15A-4.htm

A good place to get a general summary of the smoking bans and what their exceptions are in different states is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States

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by violetfae on Tue May 19, 2009 5:02 pm

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Maybe we should start pushing for a fat tax, $50 a month for every 5 lbs. you're overweight. If they want a real sin tax that's it.

That's about what I've been thinking. It is such myth and propaganda that smoking hurts the economy. With all the tax revenue from tobacco, it can only help the economy.

A few years ago when it was census time, this obese census lady could barely get up the couple flights of stairs to my pad. It took her about five minutes and she was all out of breath by the time she got to the top. I can fly up the stairs with the ease of a child. Obviously I am healthier. Anyway, the fat census lady asked me if I smoke and if I wanted to quit for her records. I told her I didnt want to quit. I thought about asking her if she eats too much, and if she wanted help to stop being such a pig. But who am I? I don't come up with these census questions.

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by runamok on Tue May 19, 2009 9:30 pm

seabooty wrote:

Maybe we should start pushing for a fat tax, $50 a month for every 5 lbs. you're overweight. If they want a real sin tax that's it. How about a restaurant tax for serving heavy cream and butter?

This is a very typical reaction by smokers who are angry that they are getting screwed by taxes and bans. Remember though, that the same folks who are sticking it to the smokers are plotting to stick it to the eaters and the drinkers using the same strategies.

This is how they divide and conquer. Demonize, ostracize, then tax one group. That group cries foul but instead of working to stop the madness, they scream for someone else to be taxed (misery loves company I guess). The powers that be, of course, are more than happy to oblige and now a whole new bunch of folks are hopping mad and want them to stick it someone else....and so on.

Pretty soon we're ALL being taxed into oblivion (we asked for it) and wondering what the hell happened.

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by garhkal on Wed May 20, 2009 4:08 pm

violetfae wrote:

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Maybe we should start pushing for a fat tax, $50 a month for every 5 lbs. you're overweight. If they want a real sin tax that's it.

A while back in Walmart, i got into a row with a pair of porkers who were in those power chairs. They were in the same isle as a pair of old ladies and a young one who had a cast on one leg. One of the old lasses and the cast wearer asked if i would help them get something from the top shelf. I had no issues.
THEN one of the fat ones said "Get me that one'. NOT a could you, or would you. JUST a get it. I told her to get it herself and she went on a little rant about why i helped the other 2 out and not her.
My response, is they needed it, she did not.

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by Pete Gatti on Wed May 20, 2009 8:12 pm

runamok wrote:

This is how they divide and conquer. Demonize, ostracize, then tax one group. That group cries foul but instead of working to stop the madness, they scream for someone else to be taxed (misery loves company I guess). The powers that be, of course, are more than happy to oblige and now a whole new bunch of folks are hopping mad and want them to stick it someone else....and so on.

Pretty soon we're ALL being taxed into oblivion (we asked for it) and wondering what the hell happened.

You got that right. Greed knows no bounds, anti would be quite happy victimizing both smokers and the overweight equally. It doubles their pleasure.

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by seabooty on Wed May 20, 2009 9:27 pm

Of course that's true, I suppose misery loves company. The real problem is the antis are so caught up in their frenzy they can't see forest for the trees. They are not realizing they are actually taking part in a scheme to take our rights away. When it goes so far as banning smoking outdoors without a cause, it is a case of pure control. Allowing laws like this to be passed is a foretelling of doom. Does anyone really want their lives controlled? Anything can and will be next. When they are done with smokers, the obese won't be far behind, but they are not a minority, in the USA over 60% are overweight. (and if they can get everyone to quit smoking that number will increase)
Taking our rights away is a serious problem, and people had better wake up before they end up having a government camera in their bedroom. It is very serious when you can be arrested or ticketed for a legal activity. It's time for action, if you know any smoking attorney's willing to get the ball rolling, that name and phone number needs to be posted here and anywhere else smokers will read it. Smoking bans need to be repealed.

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