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by wesalexleft
on Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:46 pm |
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| I'm Getting ready for April 1st and I have questions about storage. I'm getting POUNDS in reserve. I'm opening the packaged tobacco one pound at a time, but i've stored the rest in an igloo ice cooler to protect the packages from temperature swings in the house and in the closet. Does anyone know how to further protect sealed 1 pound packages of cig tobacco for long term without freezing? Also, does anyone know an average shelf life for cig tobacco in it's unopened bag? I've stocked up on some Rave, McClintock, Checkers, Gambler, ETC. about 15 pounds so far. Thanks to all! |
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by JohnC
on Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:01 pm |
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wesalexleft ,
From what I've found out on the subject ---- 6-8 years --- of coarse there is no way to tell how long it's been in the bag when you buy it.
I keep mine in an inside closet.
Hopefully there is enough to last until the first crop or two comes in 
Hope they enjoyed all those taxes through the years (54+) It's over as of 4-1-09 and we'll see ------------ who got fooled
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by gilster
on Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:36 pm |
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Make sure to rotate your stock too - I don't know about all tobacco's but at least with the American Spirit there will be a 4 digit code on the bottom of the tin.
3558= the 355th day of 2008 [manufactured]
0129= the 12th day of 2009 - etc.
I have a bunch of TGS tobacco - don't see a date code on those - so I'll rotate them as the stock comes in.
One month to go! |
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by grumpyO9
on Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:51 pm |
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THIS IS THE ANSWER I RECEIVED FROM MY SUPPLIER WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE SUBJECT,
"The larger problem to mold growth may be the tobacco becoming dry. The idea
climate to keep tobacco fresh is 70% relative humidity and 70 degree
temperature. When stored at this climate tobacco will remain fresh
indefinately. Mold growth can occur if the humidity is to high or if the
tobacco is in direct contact to moisture within proper ventilation. Hopes
this answers your question.
Thanks," |
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by toekuttr
on Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:32 am |
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Not to bust anyone's bubble, but cigarette tobacco will not last anywhere close to 6 years! The thick cut, heavily cased and well preserved tinned pipe tobaccos will but delicate, thin cut cigarette tobaccos designed for inhalation and therefore not nearly as heavily cased nor preserved won't have a chance at that long. I was recently told by a large RYO manufacturer himself that we'll be lucky to get 6 mos to a year max with pouched tobacco and still be smokable, tinned should last a bit longer. Pay close attention to humidity and temperature, as Grumpy advised, and you can hopefully expect a year....anything longer is just luck that should be considered a bonus.
*yes, cigarette tobacco is aged for several years and maintains just fine, actually improves, but......this is BEFORE IT's EVER CUT and in a much hardier state!
Not trying to bum anyone out but we need to be methodical and careful with these (some of us) large, forced investments! |
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by gilster
on Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:48 am |
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by runamok
on Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:57 pm |
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All this talk of stocking up is great but let's face it. It's a very short term solution and within a year at the most (that time will fly by), anybody who wants to smoke is either going to have to pay through the nose for fire-safes or grow their own.
Sure, RYO will still be about half the price of pre-mades but I can tell you exactly how that is going to go. There will be a marked shift in that direction which will stiff the states for piles of tax and settlement money. The states will respond with their own taxes on RYO supplies to make up the difference until they're close to the same price as pre-mades. Governor Granholm in Michigan is already on board that train and many will follow. And now that anti knows we hate FSC's, she will be lobbying hard for legislation that RYO tubes have this feature.
Growing your own sounds great and I understand that tobacco is not a difficult plant to grow. The real problem is curing it properly so it doesn't taste like the leaves you raked up last fall. Perhaps some clubs can be started where members all go in on the proper curing equipment, a la beer brewing and wine making clubs. That might work but I'll believe it when I see it.
Offshore internet sites, about the only safe place to buy online nowadays, will be coming under serious fire soon. SCHIP has provisions and funding for addressing cigarette smuggling and those sites will be front and center along with forbidding the shipment of tobacco through the USPS.
Sure, there will be the guys on the corners in the city selling them out of their trunk but I really can't envision myself running into North Minneapolis on a Friday night to make a score. Besides, the way taxes are going, five bucks a pack will be considered a bargain.
It's a bleak landscape right now and just the fact that I, that's right....me......runamok, am actually considering the possibility of quitting the pastime that I enjoy as much as anybody and more than most, means that there are a LOT of folks mulling it over that never dreamed of quitting before. I simply won't pay an incredibly inflated price for a product whose inflated price is the result of lies and hypocrisy, knowing that significant portions of that inflated price is going directly to the liars and the hypocrites. I would be doing it out of spite for the government and I hope many millions do quit. As state and federal coffers dry up, the hypocrisy would become quite evident.
We are being painted into a corner and gov't is on a mission to make absolutely, positively sure that the TAXES ARE PAID. They will leave no stone unturned along the way. |
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by White Rabbit
on Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:53 am |
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Well, as the final "TAX DATE" approaches, I got worried also and like wesalexleft who started this thread, I ordered another 3 pound special from Smokers Outlet, just to avoid $66.00 in taxes to Mr. Obama.
I think I have enough on hand to last me through the fall of 2009.
I spent several hours on howtogrowtobacco.com reading about others who are actually growing, harvesting, drying, curing and cutting their own tobacco. Although I have a green thumb, and have had a vegetable garden for years, at this time I don't think I am ready for all of the various steps in order to be a self sufficient tobacco grower-smoker.
By the time you either order seeds or plants and starter pots, till the soil, fertilize and worry about insects, harvest, dry and cure your product, you might as well pay the man to get a good satisfactory smoke. Just my luck to spend a lot of time and money and end up with some foul tasting smokes.
I agree with runamok that it is only a matter of time until we will all be paying much more to enjoy our "hobby-habit". As a "nubie" to MYO, I must say everything is working out just great, at least for me. I have settled in with Farmers Gold Light, along with some mixed with Zen Peach or Vanilla, using Premier Light 100mm tubes. I haven't had any problems with the Premier Supermatic and after 50 years of smoking "store bought" I am quite happy with the MYO product.
I appreciate everyone sharing their (positive) thoughts on this forum, it has been very helpful to say the least. I just wish the moderator would cut off or ban those users who insist on using this "Smokers Lobby Forum" to push their own private adgenda whether it be for anti-smoking or some other cause not related our hobby-habit.
Smokem If you Got Em!
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by seesolo
on Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:45 am |
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| i remember when i was in japan in 2000 at a friends house, his dad had past away the year or two before, so while being there i helped him clean out his attic and we found 2 cartons of 555 state expresses, happy of finidng two cartons, we instantly opened one and took a drag, and daym it hurt so much it felt as if, i mean as much as we tried to, we couldn't, it was as if the smoke was focusing on our throat and intensifying its heat with every milisecond, hurt so much. so yea, i don't think you could store it that long or it was jus thte brand. |
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by smokinokie
on Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:58 pm |
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We've been RYO for about 12 yrs and the only bad tobacco we ever got was online. full of live bugs that looked like the roach family.
Been fortunate to buy locally at a place with high turnover, so freshness has never been a problem. Bought about 25 bags of that, and have 20 more bags on their way from an online purchase, since the local stores are not going to carry bulk cig tobacco period, after april first. The cost is just too high to stock. They may special order, but at this time, it's not on the horizon.
We started stocking up the beginning of Feb locally, so we'll smoke the online stuff first. Those bugs were disgusting. Although..... if i couldn't afford the price hike and I had to sift bugs to get a smoke, I'd probably do it if I had to lol. This SCHIP has really screwed ppl on fixed income with no health related problems from smoking and few vices. F'm, I refuse to pay the tax.
Ordered plants and 5 varieties of seeds to have a go at GYO. I think someone above posted this forum link already. It's a great active forum, with plenty of pictures and an active community to help with questions/problems:
http://www.howtogrowtobacco.com/
growing is not a problem...just a few steps to follow. Ppl have pictures of curing chambers that honestly could be built from stuff that many ppl already have on hand. ie: dehumidifier, hot plate, etc. A little wood, elec hookup, insulation board and a few household items and you're good to go.
For years, we never did, because of all the, it's "difficult to grow" stories. Must have been by ppl that never tried. It's SO worth the shot. Seeds are dirt cheap. 100 seed sampler packs for $2.75 a pack and minimal shipping. Plants are about $6. a piece and shipped when ready to plant. The month of May I think.
http://newhopeseed.com/tobacco/index.htm Heirloom seeds, so your successful crop will keep you stocked in seed.
The investment to GYO is so cheap if you have a full sun spot, that it's well worth the effort. Unless you're rolling in dough and the tax hike is more of an irritation/civil disobedience thing. For us, it's pissed off AND economics.
Rehydrating old tobacco is not a problem. Smoking up our stash for 2 of us, will last about 10 mos or so. Make that less, because our son was unable to stock up, so he can buy bags from us at the pre-tax rate that we paid.
We're all going to try to cut back, but not quit. Enjoy a good smoke too damn much. The stocking up is similar to old Y2k stocking up, only this time it's for real. Y2k for us is now with the economy, taxes coming down the pike. Who knows where this is going.
For y2k we stocked about 8 months worth of bulk tobacco and never had a bad smoke. it was Topps cans though, rather than bags. damn I remember when those were $4. a piece at the local grocery in '99.  |
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